Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Just wondering......
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
According to http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworl..._countries.htm
The term "First World" refers to so called developed, capitalist, industrial countries, roughly, a bloc of countries aligned with the United States after World War II, with more or less common political and economic interests: North America, Western Europe, Japan and Australia. Hope this helps :thumbup: |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Paula31
(Post 8510377)
According to http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworl..._countries.htm
The term "First World" refers to so called developed, capitalist, industrial countries, roughly, a bloc of countries aligned with the United States after World War II, with more or less common political and economic interests: North America, Western Europe, Japan and Australia. Hope this helps :thumbup: |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by caliburn
(Post 8510455)
Thanks. Do you know why the poorer countries are called 3rd world?
Four Worlds After World War II the world split into two large geopolitical blocs and spheres of influence with contrary views on government and the politically correct society: 1 - The bloc of democratic-industrial countries within the American influence sphere, the "First World". 2 - The Eastern bloc of the communist-socialist states, the "Second World". 3 - The remaining three-quarters of the world's population, states not aligned with either bloc were regarded as the "Third World." 4 - The term "Fourth World", coined in the early 1970s by Shuswap Chief George Manuel, refers to widely unknown nations (cultural entities) of indigenous peoples, "First Nations" living within or across national state boundaries. http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworl..._countries.htm |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
What made you think OZ is a second world country:confused: .OZ is not only a first world country but has the best perfoming economy amongst all the first world countries.
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by caliburn
(Post 8510231)
Just wondering......
Australia for a population of only 22m people is the 14th largest economy in the world. |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Mr Grumpy
(Post 8510662)
If Portugal, Spain, Greece, Israel or Italy are allowed to be considered First world then Australia is well ahead of them.
Australia for a population of only 22m people is the 14th largest economy in the world. |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Mr Grumpy
(Post 8510662)
If Portugal, Spain, Greece, Israel or Italy are allowed to be considered First world then Australia is well ahead of them.
Australia for a population of only 22m people is the 14th largest economy in the world. |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by mohogony
(Post 8510819)
The unemployemnt rate in OZ is only 5% , Spains in 20%, OZ is more first world then most European coutries
Just for all those that say Yoorup is oh so much superior to Australia. |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by mohogony
(Post 8510819)
The unemployemnt rate in OZ is only 5% , Spains in 20%,Greece had gone bankrupt, The UK is in recession, OZ is more first world then most European coutries.
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Lord_Farquar
(Post 8510891)
The UK is NOT in recession.
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 8510902)
Someone's brain is though.
Economists and their predictions/theories are like assholes etc. There is no other way to measure recession. |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 8510902)
Someone's brain is though.
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Australia may be a first world country in absolute economic terms, but it is a leading contender for the most corrupt and incompetent nation outside Africa.
I went to a talk by John Hatton last night and he said that Australia was the example given in some economic papers of how a corrupt government can gat away with blue murder even in a so-called free society. All parties, still some of the police, state governments, local councils and business from the local shop to multinationals all look pretty dirty - but so long as the sun shines, who cares? |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 8511050)
Australia may be a first world country in absolute economic terms, but it is a leading contender for the most corrupt and incompetent nation outside Africa.
I went to a talk by John Hatton last night and he said that Australia was the example given in some economic papers of how a corrupt government can gat away with blue murder even in a so-called free society. All parties, still some of the police, state governments, local councils and business from the local shop to multinationals all look pretty dirty - but so long as the sun shines, who cares? Really the only countries that claim to have a better track record are the USA, UK, The Nordic countries and Germany and the Netherlands. Hardly the whole world. |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Mr Grumpy
(Post 8511081)
Nonsense. Italy alone kicks our arses. Thats an incompetent and corrupt ridden society. Virtually every Asian and Latin American nation also. Most of Eastern Europe, and I would say all of the Middle East and other Western Europeans nations like Spain, Portugal and even Ireland.
Really the only countries that claim to have a better track record are the USA, UK, The Nordic countries and Germany and the Netherlands. Hardly the whole world. |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Mr Grumpy
(Post 8511081)
Nonsense. Italy alone kicks our arses. Thats an incompetent and corrupt ridden society. Virtually every Asian and Latin American nation also. Most of Eastern Europe, and I would say all of the Middle East and other Western Europeans nations like Spain, Portugal and even Ireland.
Really the only countries that claim to have a better track record are the USA, UK, The Nordic countries and Germany and the Netherlands. Hardly the whole world. We have an Italian friend who is scathing of the corruption there. South Africa (as with much of the rest of Africa) is very corrupt. |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Australia is first world but with minor problems like
1. Knife culture 2. Bashing of migrants and asking them to leave Aus 3. Crumbling health system 4. Increasing prices of daily usage goods and rent 5. Intolerance of some natives towards multiculturism etc, etc But we are hopeful that govt will resolve these problems and bring Oz to the forefront :thumbup: |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Mr Grumpy
(Post 8511081)
Nonsense. Italy alone kicks our arses. Thats an incompetent and corrupt ridden society. Virtually every Asian and Latin American nation also. Most of Eastern Europe, and I would say all of the Middle East and other Western Europeans nations like Spain, Portugal and even Ireland.
Really the only countries that claim to have a better track record are the USA, UK, The Nordic countries and Germany and the Netherlands. Hardly the whole world. The other thing which hits you straight away, too, is the way the average Joe thinks about it - he tends to shrug his shoulders and pass on the other side of the street. ""Happens everywhere, just forget it". In a more civilised country, there may be the problems (although nothing like the level) but people are extremely angry when it comes to the surface. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hatton |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 8511249)
I have lived in the UK for many years, the USA for twelve and Australia for only five (but with many visits over the last thirty or so years). There's no denying that just about any country has some problems with corruption, incompetence and organised crime - but the level of all these here in Australia beggars description: the corruption and incompetence extends all the way through the political classes, the executive, police, RTA, transport organisations, planning - you name it.
The other thing which hits you straight away, too, is the way the average Joe thinks about it - he tends to shrug his shoulders and pass on the other side of the street. ""Happens everywhere, just forget it". In a more civilised country, there may be the problems (although nothing like the level) but people are extremely angry when it comes to the surface. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hatton for instance take the piss take petrol prices where its dearer to buy fuel on a bank holiday or the weekend they had the pricing commision look into this and they said it was above board your average aussie takes this as acceptable and tries to get his/her fuel on a tuesday wtf ? |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by markbhx
(Post 8510741)
I wouldn't call Greece or Spain a 1st world country. Have you seen the state of their roads and buildings!! Your lucky to get tarmac on some roads. Although Greece is my fav holiday spot shame they are about 20 years behind the rest of europe in infrastructure.
tarmac on roads is a posh thing that only really happens on roads till about the sunshine coast after that if you stray off the main highway ( bruce highway ) your quite likely to find gravel or compacted earth roads |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by steve`o
(Post 8511253)
but isnt that because your average aussie is just to lazy to give a toss?
for instance take the piss take petrol prices where its dearer to buy fuel on a bank holiday or the weekend they had the pricing commision look into this and they said it was above board your average aussie takes this as acceptable and tries to get his/her fuel on a tuesday wtf ? They can't face being accused of whingeing, quite ingenious of people in power to instil that in em I reckon |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by stevenglish
(Post 8511302)
They can't face being accused of whingeing, quite ingenious of people in power to instil that in em I reckon
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by mohogony
(Post 8510507)
What made you think OZ is a second world country:confused: .OZ is not only a first world country but has the best perfoming economy amongst all the first world countries.
Thats not to say Australia is bad. In fact, there are a lot of things going well for it and thats why I have decided to migrate there. My point is just that Australia is probably (quite) a bit backward when compared to the rest of the 1st world countries. Can a country be rich but yet belong to 2nd or 3rd world? How about Middle Eastern countries where I am based now? |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by caliburn
(Post 8512401)
After spending some time in the US, when I landed in Australia for the first time, it looked so backward! Local Australians seemed rustic and shallow. Much slower life and quality of shopping was lower. I have not checked everyone's pocket but it just seemed to me that a large part of population were underpaid.
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 8511249)
I have lived in the UK for many years, the USA for twelve and Australia for only five (but with many visits over the last thirty or so years). There's no denying that just about any country has some problems with corruption, incompetence and organised crime - but the level of all these here in Australia beggars description: the corruption and incompetence extends all the way through the political classes, the executive, police, RTA, transport organisations, planning - you name it.
The other thing which hits you straight away, too, is the way the average Joe thinks about it - he tends to shrug his shoulders and pass on the other side of the street. ""Happens everywhere, just forget it". In a more civilised country, there may be the problems (although nothing like the level) but people are extremely angry when it comes to the surface. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hatton |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Shellfish
(Post 8513052)
Yes, I would havbe guessed you had never lived in Africa if you think Australia's incompetence and corruption is comparable :confused:
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by mpgrewal
(Post 8511161)
Australia is first world but with minor problems like
1. Knife culture 2. Bashing of migrants and asking them to leave Aus 3. Crumbling health system 4. Increasing prices of daily usage goods and rent 5. Intolerance of some natives towards multiculturism etc, etc But we are hopeful that govt will resolve these problems and bring Oz to the forefront :thumbup: My subjective experience from 8 years living here (having moved from Ireland in 2002) is of a good health system, no experience of crime, a truly multicultural society with a high degree of tolerance and diversity and price increases as you would expect from year to year. It varies from person to person and based on your circumstances, attitude, outlook and expectations I would say. |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by steve`o
(Post 8511253)
but isnt that because your average aussie is just to lazy to give a toss?
In a recent citizenship ceremony I was treated to a speech by the Mayor of Brisbane who expounded the many virtues of Brisbane as being the premier city in Australia and cited our public transport system! That is a man who clearly needs to travel - if he could actually find a train or bus to take him there. |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Centurion
(Post 8513189)
In a recent citizenship ceremony I was treated to a speech by the Mayor of Brisbane
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Shellfish
(Post 8513052)
Yes, I would have guessed you had never lived in Africa if you think Australia's incompetence and corruption is comparable :confused:
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Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 8513206)
Four years, but a long time ago. It used to be Rhodesia then: a true third world story of corruption, incompetence and fraud now.
Indeed. Whatever happened to that nice Mr Smith? S |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 8513206)
Four years, but a long time ago. It used to be Rhodesia then: a true third world story of corruption, incompetence and fraud now.
I am not so naive as to think that Australia is corruption and incompetence free, but I my experience it's no better or no worse than the UK. |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Shellfish
(Post 8513279)
The sort of carry-on that is found in Zimbabwe beggers belief so I cannot even fathom that Australia is in the same book let alone on the same page. And it's not just Africa, Eastern Europe - Russia in particular is incredibly corrupt, and in fact any country with with wealth disparaties is going to be affected and there are many.
I am not so naive as to think that Australia is corruption and incompetence free, but I my experience it's no better or no worse than the UK. |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 8511050)
Australia may be a first world country in absolute economic terms, but it is a leading contender for the most corrupt and incompetent nation outside Africa.
Originally Posted by Lord_Farquar
(Post 8513292)
But he isn't comparing Australia to Africa?
I would say that's a bit of a comparison |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Shellfish
(Post 8513312)
I would say that's a bit of a comparison No, he said outside of Africa, as if to suggest that Africa's level of corruption etc was a given, but that outside of that, then Australia came reasonably high on the corruption stakes. S |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Swerv-o
(Post 8513314)
No, he said outside of Africa, as if to suggest that Africa's level of corruption etc was a given, but that outside of that, then Australia came reasonably high on the corruption stakes.
S |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by Wol
(Post 8513393)
Exactly.
Has a cop demanded a sweetener in order not to give you a ticket? Has the RTA deskperson demanded an 'appreciation' to give you your licence? Has the Local Council representative said to cough up with some kindo f kickback? Just where is this corruption you speak of? I personally have seen none whatsoever in dealing with every local,state and federal govt agency you can think of. |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by DownUnderPaddy
(Post 8513083)
My subjective experience from 8 years living here (having moved from Ireland in 2002) is of a good health system, no experience of crime, a truly multicultural society with a high degree of tolerance and diversity
Instead of learning about new cultures some people ask such migrants to stop all that or leave Aus. I think this is not multiculturism - asking a migrant to kill his soul, his roots and completely fake himself into an Aussie or leave the shores. Do you think it is fair? |
Re: Is Australia a 1st world or 2nd world country?
Originally Posted by mpgrewal
(Post 8513546)
Ireland and Aussie have 80% things in common so you may not have faced as much resistance to your diversity as a Caribbean migrant, Indian migrant or Persian migrant will face. Such countries have < 5% commonalities with Oz. So when the migrants try to do, wear or speak their native, it bothers many. People unncessarily start getting offended.
Instead of learning about new cultures some people ask such migrants to stop all that or leave Aus. I think this is not multiculturism - asking a migrant to kill his soul, his roots and completely fake himself into an Aussie or leave the shores. Do you think it is fair? However, I would say that UK has become too ethnocentric and Im curious to see whether Australias 'fit in or f**k off' strategy might just work. |
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