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TheColebecks Jun 6th 2005 8:09 am

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Well done for having the courage to remove those 'rose-tinted specs' and for enlightening us about all that you now clearly see :)

It would be impossible to make an educated, rounded judgement about emigrating somewhere (or anything for that matter) if you didn't have positive and negative views from those who have the experience of living the life in that country.

I am under no illusion whatsoever that things will be 'different' and I'm quite sure that some things will be worse than we know them here in the UK as, at the end of the day, things here are all that most of us have ever known. Its a challenge when you're faced with the unknown - you have to prepared for the challenges! I'm also sure that there are great things in Oz that I can never even begin to imagine and cant wait to experience.

TheColebecks

sackofspuds Jun 6th 2005 8:40 am

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Originally Posted by TheColebecks
I'm also sure that there are great things in Oz that I can never even begin to imagine and cant wait to experience.

Not being funny here, but out of interest, when you refer to "great things" are you thinking of natural wonders like the Great Barrier Reef?

Merlot Jun 6th 2005 8:46 am

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If I was going through the processes of giving up the LOT in the UK and moving to Australia, I would WANT to hear this.

Yes it is only one person's view but a valid one.

Long live more balance. Room for all.

M :)

kath n kim Jun 6th 2005 9:06 am

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I think this sort information should be sent out along with visas......!

NKSK Jun 6th 2005 9:12 am

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Originally Posted by Merlot
If I was going through the processes of giving up the LOT in the UK and moving to Australia, I would WANT to hear this.

Yes it is only one person's view but a valid one.

Long live more balance. Room for all.

M :)

The trouble is of course, for those of us who have given up the lot and for whom there is no going back, it can be a bit of a frightener.

Doesn't change much but you do find yourself desperately searching for some kind of alternative view after you've read something which makes you wonder whether you've just damned the family to an eternity in the hell that is Australia!

Merlot Jun 6th 2005 9:22 am

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Originally Posted by NKSK
The trouble is of course, for those of us who have given up the lot and for whom there is no going back, it can be a bit of a frightener.

Doesn't change much but you do find yourself desperately searching for some kind of alternative view after you've read something which makes you wonder whether you've just damned the family to an eternity in the hell that is Australia!

I think that is part of moving anywhere, sometimes the Forum favours the "rose tinted" posts (not starting fights here) and when a more "down" view comes up it can get ripped.

When I came back from Oz to the UK last year, I went through a whole range of emotions, feelings and fears. Even though I knew that I was coming back to the family when I eventually got here, this born and bread English lass struggled.

I have culture shock for 10 months, everything was very new to me. I had to start my life from scratch yet again (did that in Oz 7 years before). I felt like an alien for the best of it but you get through and bounce back. The downside of me being here is that 12,000 miles way there is my husband's family. His Dad is not well with bowel cancer so it is tough at times.

I am sure that you will continue your ups and downs, your life is your own story and I think that no matter what others say, your inner self is the one you listen to and it is always right.

Go with your heart and dreams.

Best of luck
Merlot :)

MrsDagboy Jun 6th 2005 9:31 am

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Originally Posted by tiredwithtwins
Dont mean to argue ( ;) :D ) but surely the OP should be allowed his opinions? as i said before, anyone who writes an 'I love it here' gets a pat on the back - post anything different and you get slated. Dare to say you dont like something and all you get is 'well go back to the uk then'.


its only his/her opinion ffs!


sorry, as i said, i dont want to pick arguements/fights :(


hey Sue, apart from maybe pako's comment, I dont see anyone slating the OP for posting? :confused: A couple of people have commented that they have found the situation different (which of course they would - no situation is identical), but no one is slagging off the OP or telling him he shouldnt be allowed to voice an opinion, are they? :confused:

Siren & Brian Jun 6th 2005 10:35 am

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Actually Insulatiion is required by law in all new houses. Old houses may not have it but for $1000 it aint much at all.

Schools.... so from what you have said that when the children finish school in year 12 the Uk kids will be alot smarter than Aussie kids? Or maybe that other skills are taught?

hedgehog-girl Jun 6th 2005 10:46 am

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When we arrived 5 months I was totally appalled at the accommodation available for rent and could not believe how some of the property owners could let their units be rented....I was shocked at the banks and how they seem to charge for everything, and surprised at the quality of clothing and such....

Its not that we came here with rose tinted classes, its just that you take for granted what you get in the UK and we almost expected Oz to be the same if not better! I mean this is 2005 and you expect very modern sytems to be in place. Now that 5 months have passed we have gotten used to the banking system, the clothes, and all the other little things that are different,and thats because Australia is different. If we went to Greece or Italy we would be confronted with different ways of living so why not here....Just a question of whether or not you can or want to adapt and also whether or not you can let go of the ways of old blighty! ;)

Megalania Jun 6th 2005 10:56 am

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Originally Posted by gazf
HI,
I have been here now about 9 weeks and have to say I am not very impressed so far. The house prices which by UK standards are still quite cheap have put most 4x2 above $300000 and in most cases well above. Now as I said compared to the UK still quite cheap but if you do compare to the UK you realise that what you get for your $$$ is a very basic house No double glazed windows or doors, no insulation in the loft, the list is long,poor finishing which you most certainly would not accept back in the UK.

Then there are the schools Fantastic, brand new in some cases but a long long way behind the UK in the level the children are educated. My Child is 6 years old and will be 7 in August, this means she is now in year 1 over here and is being taught how to spell words like THE, HAS ,HAT,DOG, CAT, etc
when we left the UK she was getting towards the end of year 2 and was spelling words like SCULPTURE,CAUGHT,etc .As for maths i,d rather not go there. Please remember the state does`t provide writing books or any stationary at all, parents( and any passing pervert ) will be sat outside the class room 20 Min's before the kids are let out chatting and disrupting the class. there are no restrictions on who is hanging about the schools,and no controls about who picks the children up. There seems very little to choose between the state and private sectors unless you want a religious backdrop to education, private fees are reasonable but waiting lists are long, the state seems to rely on a large private sector taking children off its hands.
Hospitals again nice and modern in general but for gods sake don`t take ill unless you have very expensive medical insurance, and then hope is not a mental illness (acute lack of funding in this area ) or your troubles will really begin.
If you are a tradesman or have any formal qualification be prepared for the locals to tell you you need to either start at the bottom or retrain to Australian standards ( in general far below British & European standards). On the plus side this creates employment and safeguards the jobs of the local population.

What next? oh yes TV and radio - well I came here to get outdoors anyway so won`t bore you with that one.
Food not bad I have to admit.
Cars New very cheap used overpriced in comparison to new, petrol and car insurance very reasonable.
The beaches great , the parks Great , the people are nice and friendly.
I am sure this post will annoy or upset some people but it is how I preserve the situation here in Perth. :(

Lick the local chocolate - it's litmus.

Ceiling insulation will cost ~$1K to install. Double glazing will not be worth the investment unless energy costs treble - curtains with pelmets will do just as well and add functionality.

If you're finicky about finish - finance.

Haven't noticed that British edumication has eliminated the need for the "Spell Check" button or produced a numerate cohort.

You want your new car to depreciate in price quicker - see comments re numeracy.

There is an entire TV chanel devoted to the worst of British - called "UK TV". Aus has three additional local chanels offering similar mind rot.

Etcetera and so forth.

So try the litmus.

TrickyTree Jun 6th 2005 11:01 am

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You were lucky to have only a 5 week wait we have just bought a plasma TV (Clive Peters), lounge (A-mart), Table and coffee table (Harvey Norman) and a bed (A-mart) and I think the shortest wait we had was 10 weeks...is nothing in stock???????

Dont get me started on Telstra either been waiting for weeks and still no internet at home!!!! :mad:


Originally Posted by google
I guess it's all about making trade-offs.

I left China to settle in Sydney this year and found to my great dismay that the service standards and I.T infrastructures in Australia are lagging far behind that of China.

one simple example:
We ordered a sofa from Harvey Norman in early April, but it took 5 weeks to arrive. I guess the furniture stores here are not at all well stocked. In most large Chinese cities, the goods are normally delivered on the same or next day. I figure this is a result of the sparse population here.

But dont get me wrong, I still prefer to stay in Australia, which is a democratic nation.


bondipom Jun 6th 2005 11:15 am

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Originally Posted by Banksia
If it isn't in new houses and there are few if no businesses which retro fit it, it could be because the locals see no or little need for it. Double glazing is unknown in Sydney too.

As to the rest of your message, post on. There is no point in people coming to Australia on false knowledge. There are plenty who find it to their liking. More, in fact than there are places for them.

As to temperatures, let see how you feel by next February.

If you live in an area affected by aircraft noise double glazing is available for free. I believe the noise levy pays for it. The temperature at Maquarie Park has been down to 4C when I drive into work. Houses here are built cheap arse and double glazing would only add to the costs. I wouldn't touch most of the new crap going up. Building standards are a joke and seem to be unenforceable. The state government is mumbling about some changes but they are probably just rattling the collection tins to the building industry.

Shellfish Jun 6th 2005 11:18 am

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Well, in Melbourne (the so-called 'arctic of Australia') most newly built houses have ducted heating and cooling. Very logical in a city that has tops of 10 degrees and 45 degrees in any given year. Incidently, today is sunny with a top of 20 so I do think that central heating and double glazing would be slight overkill

hedgehog-girl Jun 6th 2005 12:02 pm

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Oh and lets not forget about the water shortage! How come the UK and mainly London which is far smaller and no where near as arid as Australia can come up with the idea to recycle water for 90% of domestic/business use and Australia can't?....London uses water from the Thames (and I would hate to think of what has been in that!) which is then filtered before sending to the taps of derek trotter...Sydney on the other hand has refused to do this so far and is sticking to using freshwater but at such a cost....mind boggles...


Oooh I love a good whinge! he he he he

Megalania Jun 6th 2005 12:14 pm

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Originally Posted by hedgehog-girl
Oh and lets not forget about the water shortage! How come the UK and mainly London which is far smaller and no where near as arid as Australia can come up with the idea to recycle water for 90% of domestic/business use and Australia can't?....London uses water from the Thames (and I would hate to think of what has been in that!) which is then filtered before sending to the taps of derek trotter...Sydney on the other hand has refused to do this so far and is sticking to using freshwater but at such a cost....mind boggles...


Oooh I love a good whinge! he he he he

"...in the mid-term desalination will be vital for the security of London's water supply...

About 70% of London's water comes from the River Thames and the River Lea in east London. The rest comes from boreholes.
"

London's water supply 'to dry up'


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