Asbestos fencing?????
 

Quick question......

We've recently moved into a house which is about 12-15 years old, in Perth's
northern subs. The fencing surrounding the house is that concrete looking material that a lot of houses around here have.

Is this likely to be made with asbestos and if so should we consider having it removed, or at least be careful if drilling into it??

Cheers

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We had a guy come out to give us a quote for fencing and he told us right away that our dividing fence is asbestos. There is quite alot of it still around.

The fence is OK, when it gets replaced - the neighbour and I will have to split the cost.

I would get it identified before you do anything with it. Our old neighbour was going to merrily smash it down until I told him what it was.

It needs to be disposed of in a certain way, if we choose to have it removed, the guy will have breathing equipment on and some sort of bodysuit. We have been told we will have to keep the windows shut and take certain precautions and you have to pay for its disposal - although a guy at work told me if you take it to a certain landfill site for asbestos then you only pay a little bit instead of hundreds, how true that is I do not know.

On the top part of our garden where there is new(ish) fencing, the thicko guys that put the new fence up, didnt see fit to pull out all the asbestos from the old one, they just smashed it down and buried it all. Stupidity that beggards belief. Especially as our dog keeps digging it up - he doesnt touch it, he digs it and barks at it:eek:.

Our council said asbestos is OK until it is disturbed - cut/drilled/smashed :blink:.

So probably safer to get someone to identify it and then take it from there.

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I would advise not drilling into it, or doing anything to it.
Apparently it is not dangerous when in good condition and not disturbed.

It does seem that lots of houses around Perth have such fencing.

Official rules are:

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Or hire a skip, break down the fence and place the pieces in bottom of skip, fill skip up with other crap, get skip collected. Problem solved - cheaply.

Not that I've ever done anything like that of course.

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And perfectly OK to do that, as long as you aren't aware that it is asbestos ;)

And of course, most newcomers to such an area would not be aware of that...

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Any idea when exactly they have stopped using asbestos in housing construction in Australia?

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James Hardie, Australia’s largest asbestos manufacturer, who were sued recently, stopped using asbestos in its products in 1987.

Brown and Blue asbestos, used in construction, was banned in 1987.

White asbestos, used mainly for the manufacture of packing and friction materials such as brake and clutch linings, was banned on 31st December, 2003.

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It's flipping unreal how much stuff is made of asbestos and how late they were using it in Australia! Abatement programmes had been going on in the UK for donkeys' before the Aussies even stopped installing it.
So long, of course, as you, your neighbours or anyone working at the waste site doesn't breathe it in and gets asbestosis because you're too tight-fisted.

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Blue and brown asbestos (the two most dangerous forms) were banned in the UK in 1985. (http://www.hse.gov.uk)
Blue and brown asbestos (the two most dangerous forms) were banned in Australia in 1987.

Two years difference = Donkeys years ?

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Agree with that, how would anyone fancy their neighbour smashing up asbestos then you or your kids breath it in:eek:

In Qld the laws on removal are pretty strict, but of course plenty of people ignore them:rolleyes: Lots of schools are full of it, R has done a few schools where its had to be removed, the entire area is sealed off etc, specialist company brought in.

Houses, the neighbours are usually pretty clued up;) theres been a few houses recently where someones gone about removing it on the cheap and someones dobbed them in and they get fined, story often appears on local news and paper.

However on building sites you hear amazing things, like old blokes who were chopping and sawing it 30 years ago and cause their not dead yet they reckon its safe:eek: Asbestos fences were sawed and drilled and apparently nobody even wore a mask.

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So I'm guessing, with this in mind, if my house/fence was constructed in the mid 90's, it's unlikely to contain asbestos :confused:

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But if they, as I said, "aren't aware that it is asbestos" .... where does the tight fisted apply ?

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Can never be sure of anything, but in theory, it should be unlikely.

But, you do hear of many people disagreeing with laws, and doing things their own way.

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If it was 12-15 years ago then it is extremely unlikely to contain asbestos. Can you find a name on the board? If so then you can get it checked out. If you have any rough edges (e.g. where a bit has broken off) then you can do a flame test. Try burning it with a lighter. If the fibres shrivel then it's not asbestos. If the fibres glow and dosen't burn then it is asbestos.

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You might want to read this http://www.kent.gov.uk/business/supp...estos-fact.htm

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Wow.. The UK has the same rules as Australia....

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It's a strange phenomenon that, for many, migration opens the eyes in the new country but doesn't lift the wool over the eyes of the old country. You see it all the time on here: tax, driving, social attitudes, hoons/joy-riders, bogans/chavs, etc...

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Very true. Many on here only see/believe what they want to.

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Cheers for the input guys :thumbup:

Will do a bit of digging with the local council just to be 100%

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Either way it's not "perfectly OK" ;).

No - I said that abatement had already been in place for years before it was banned. Even at my cash-strapped school in the early 1980s they were ripping it out and it had been considered overdue, and it was rarely installed in the UK by the time it was banned. In Oz, it was still being used all over the place.

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I would just like to add to this to be bloody careful where asbestos is concerned. My late mother died from asbestos related lung cancer (mesothelioma) and it is a horrible terminal disease and a rotten way to watch someone you love die. Incidentally, she was a teacher all her working career and we presume that she came into contact with asbestos in one of the schools she taught at. Having had a career that spanned 40 years, its impossible to know when/where as the disease can lie dormant for many many years. Sorry for the not very cheery post, but I just would hate to think of anyone taking any chances.

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I hope not. Obviously you have never seen what inhaling asbestos dust can do to a person.

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The Environmental Protection Agency can give you a list of places in your local area (and I think your local Counsel as well). We have asbestos outside our house and it cost us $50 to get it tested and will cost about $600 to get it removed. Better to be safe than sorry, if its not asbestos you can smash away at it to your hearts content.

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When the duplex next to us finally sells - I shall talk to the neighbours about going halves and replacing the dividing fence.

Im a bit concerned if they just start to smash it up when we are at work and we come home to it. Legally I wonder if we can stop them. My guess is that they wouldnt start anything as legally they need us to go halves as its shared.

But if I caught them smashing it up, I would have the council down on them like a ton of bricks.:frown:

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I lived in an asbestos house, and it never DiD me any harm!

:blink:

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Super 6 fencing (Asbestos) has 7 waves in it and is thinner than Hardifence which has 6 waves and is thicker in the wave

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My Father-in-law renovated a few houses with asbestos in the fireplaces and he died of asbestosis. :blink:

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My grandfather's brother died of asbestosis - of course, that was from when he was working on the docks (in Govan?) and unloaded mounds of powdered asbestos out of the ships by hand! :blink: :blink:

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What a completely irresponsible and ignorant suggestion to post. Idiot.

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It may have been said in jest.... :D

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Cool, name calling.

F**k off Arse wipe.

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Hard to know - the problem is that it often happens that people ditching asbestos think they're "getting one over the man" by dumping it surreptitiously without thinking through why it is it's so important to dump it properly.