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Old Dec 30th 2005, 3:32 pm
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Originally Posted by YoSemite
we should embrace them.
and during the course of this loving embrace say they should throw a straight left or otherwise take offence what then? let them keep doing what they are doing and say nothing just because they are "different to us." Throw more money at trying to understand them?

Have a look see at the article I linked to afew posts above. Would you wander out west and throw your arms around the poor put upon people mentioned????
And they are not alone in their distain for close embraces as the journalist says they number in their thousands. Pity the majority get a bad name because of a significant minority...but then again thats what happened afew weeks back at cronulla ...afew far right nuts got the majority a bad name.

Pity these minority community leaders we always hear about after an event like that day didnt put in an appearance before the events that led up to the protest!

And my opinion is that just because someone is a different colour, race, religion,sex or have red hair doesnt mean they should expect to be treated any different at all....but remember it works both ways .....they have to respect other peoples as well. That simply wasnt happening in the cae of Cronula (the thread was started regarding an article relating to Cronula. Hence I keep comong back to it)
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Old Dec 30th 2005, 4:01 pm
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What has amazed me from posting this thread is the varying different levels of racial tolerance from people here on BE!

When I posted, I honestly, honestly thought it would be a clear cut post with EVERYONE agreeing that racism is NOT to be tolerated under any circumstances...instead, it has turned into a (heated, dare I say) debate!

Have certainly had MY eyes opened!!
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Old Dec 30th 2005, 9:11 pm
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Originally Posted by ROBnCAZ
What has amazed me from posting this thread is the varying different levels of racial tolerance from people here on BE!

When I posted, I honestly, honestly thought it would be a clear cut post with EVERYONE agreeing that racism is NOT to be tolerated under any circumstances...instead, it has turned into a (heated, dare I say) debate!

Have certainly had MY eyes opened!!
Wow! Why are you so uptight? I can almost imagine you bristling with annoyance and harumphing and stamping your feet in oooouuuttragee, by jove!!

So there are differing opinions ... is that a problem?

Personally, I would happily live side by side with people of other cultures/race/religion but would be intolerant of any of my children marrying anyone non-white. Shoot me with a big fat furry arrow for expressing an opinion contrary to so many so-far-left-its-scary liberalists but we're all entitled to our own opinions.
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Old Dec 30th 2005, 9:15 pm
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Being in a mixed marriage myself and my husband an Arab, we have had loads of people saying stuff to us.

They think it is my husbands personal fault of the events in Iraq.

They think he probably secretly hits me and has several wives.

He has even had people accuse him of taking a job that could have been an English persons!

We have had comments on 'Oh I dont believe in mixed marriages and what has he got that we havent?' (a big chopper)

So I take people as I find them. My husband is a law abiding tax paying British Cit. and goes about his life without hurting others.

And I am afraid to say its alot of English people that usually have the problem with that.

Which is very scary.
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Old Dec 30th 2005, 10:30 pm
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Originally Posted by pitchell
Wow! Why are you so uptight? I can almost imagine you bristling with annoyance and harumphing and stamping your feet in oooouuuttragee, by jove!!

So there are differing opinions ... is that a problem?

Personally, I would happily live side by side with people of other cultures/race/religion but would be intolerant of any of my children marrying anyone non-white. Shoot me with a big fat furry arrow for expressing an opinion contrary to so many so-far-left-its-scary liberalists but we're all entitled to our own opinions.
So if you wouldn't let your children marry anyone non-white surely you are not living happily side by side as there would be chaos once the wedding was on the cards, mind you we wouldn't want our son marrying a charva or a bling either LOL.
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Originally Posted by ROBnCAZ
What has amazed me from posting this thread is the varying different levels of racial tolerance from people here on BE!

When I posted, I honestly, honestly thought it would be a clear cut post with EVERYONE agreeing that racism is NOT to be tolerated under any circumstances...instead, it has turned into a (heated, dare I say) debate!

Have certainly had MY eyes opened!!
I think thats an unfair comment to make actually. I dont think any poster here has said - heck racism's ok. Its certainly not been heated and rather a good thread. People have posted personal experiences of racism or their personal take on the situation in Australia.

Racism isnt OK, but the situation in Cronula and the topic generally is a very very complicated one and some of the posts here have been very carefully thought and written.

Simply because people dont take your personal stance or viewpoint does not make them racist. In the same way would you consider yourself extremely socialist or a "leftie dogooder" ? To be honest I dont think that you fully understood the underlying motivations behind Cronula, it was and is not a cut and dry issue.

But heck - thats my view point eh ?
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Old Dec 30th 2005, 11:02 pm
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I think thats an unfair comment to make actually. I dont think any poster here has said - heck racism's ok. Its certainly not been heated and rather a good thread. People have posted personal experiences of racism or their personal take on the situation in Australia.

Racism isnt OK, but the situation in Cronula and the topic generally is a very very complicated one and some of the posts here have been very carefully thought and written.

Simply because people dont take your personal stance or viewpoint does not make them racist. In the same way would you consider yourself extremely socialist or a "leftie dogooder" ? To be honest I dont think that you fully understood the underlying motivations behind Cronula, it was and is not a cut and dry issue.

But heck - thats my view point eh ?
An extremely sensible post!
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Old Dec 30th 2005, 11:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Centurion
I think thats an unfair comment to make actually. I dont think any poster here has said - heck racism's ok. Its certainly not been heated and rather a good thread. People have posted personal experiences of racism or their personal take on the situation in Australia.

Racism isnt OK, but the situation in Cronula and the topic generally is a very very complicated one and some of the posts here have been very carefully thought and written.

Simply because people dont take your personal stance or viewpoint does not make them racist. In the same way would you consider yourself extremely socialist or a "leftie dogooder" ? To be honest I dont think that you fully understood the underlying motivations behind Cronula, it was and is not a cut and dry issue.

But heck - thats my view point eh ?
Totally agree. Thanks for wording it so well.
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Old Dec 30th 2005, 11:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Centurion
I think thats an unfair comment to make actually. I dont think any poster here has said - heck racism's ok. Its certainly not been heated and rather a good thread. People have posted personal experiences of racism or their personal take on the situation in Australia.

Racism isnt OK, but the situation in Cronula and the topic generally is a very very complicated one and some of the posts here have been very carefully thought and written.

Simply because people dont take your personal stance or viewpoint does not make them racist. In the same way would you consider yourself extremely socialist or a "leftie dogooder" ? To be honest I dont think that you fully understood the underlying motivations behind Cronula, it was and is not a cut and dry issue.

But heck - thats my view point eh ?
Completely agree with you.

I think the OP is looking for a problem. The stuff that happened in Cronula is no different to the stuff that happened in Bradford and Oldham a few years back. To say that the Brit government does more to stop this sort of thing from happening is nonsense.

If the OP is already finding fault with Aus, before he has even arrived, then he should, as he said, seriously consider whether he is doing the right thing. Persoanlly I find that there is not much difference between the 2 countries.
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Old Dec 30th 2005, 11:53 pm
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Completely agree with you.

I think the OP is looking for a problem. The stuff that happened in Cronula is no different to the stuff that happened in Bradford and Oldham a few years back. To say that the Brit government does more to stop this sort of thing from happening is nonsense.

If the OP is already finding fault with Aus, before he has even arrived, then he should, as he said, seriously consider whether he is doing the right thing. Persoanlly I find that there is not much difference between the 2 countries.
I think the recent Altrication's in Birmingham are a more similar example. With a local radio station beating up a rumour. Except in Aus, the fact that the lifeguards got beaten up was true. Trouble with that part is. I bet it's not the first time a Lifeguard has got beaten up by a gang. The radio broadcast it as a "let claim our beaches back" and a whole heap of stupid sheep followed.


The whole issue has been a sad eye opener for me. Melbourne, does seem relatively clear of racist issues in the main stream of society. Up until now I though Sydney was in a similar situation. Maybe it was a more gang related thing than a racial thing. Sadly I'm not to sure

The fact that it has died down from being in the news Suggests it isn't anywhere near the problem here in Aussie, that some people on this forum want it to be.

I've the strongest Hunch, that you wont see anything like this again.

I will admit though, the problems in the north of the country, with the local aborignal population is a far more serious issue. Those feelings are firmly entrenched, If you want to dig up issues about real race issues in this country, they are staring you in the face there. 30-40 years unfortunatly before they are solved.
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Old Dec 31st 2005, 12:18 am
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>> The whole issue has been a sad eye opener for me. Melbourne, does seem relatively clear of racist issues in the main stream of society. Up until now I though Sydney was in a similar situation. Maybe it was a more gang related thing than a racial thing. Sadly I'm not to sure

The fact that it has died down from being in the news Suggests it isn't anywhere near the problem here in Aussie, that some people on this forum want it to be. <<

The gangland problems in Sydney - and I think I'm right in saying also in Melbourne - have been around for decades.

There were gangs related to the unions and their restrictive practises, gangs allied to the mob and drugs generally, Vietnamese, Chinese etc gangs - you name it.

The NSW police were a byword for corruption where these gangs were concerned and despite the Anti-Corruption commission probably still are in places.

A detective was quoted last year as saying that the police have completely lost the battle in Sydney against organised gangs and gang-related violence; in this context it's not surprising that racially inspired warfare breaks out.

Recognising the reality of it is not the same as endorsing it!
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The main difference about Cronulla compared to riots elsewhere in the world was that those of the local "majority" group rioted against those of the "minority" group.
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Originally Posted by ROBnCAZ
What has amazed me from posting this thread is the varying different levels of racial tolerance from people here on BE!

When I posted, I honestly, honestly thought it would be a clear cut post with EVERYONE agreeing that racism is NOT to be tolerated under any circumstances...instead, it has turned into a (heated, dare I say) debate!

Have certainly had MY eyes opened!!
why are so many of you verbally attacking RobnCaz for what they said (above). i think they are absolutely right.
dont normally go on this site - normally on the "moving back to uk" one and its interesting to note if a similiar conversation arises there, you would find more people clear of their intolerance to racism, than on this site. Take what you will from that statement. I know what it implies for me...
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why are so many of you verbally attacking RobnCaz for what they said (above). i think they are absolutely right.
dont normally go on this site - normally on the "moving back to uk" one and its interesting to note if a similiar conversation arises there, you would find more people clear of their intolerance to racism, than on this site. Take what you will from that statement. I know what it implies for me...
Probably because he insinuated that we are all racists. Just like he's insinuating that all Aussies are racists because of the Cronula stuff (even though the article was written by an Aussie who is clearly disgusted by it all).

As Rog said: "Recognising the reality of it is not the same as endorsing it!".
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Originally Posted by MartinLuther
Probably because he insinuated that we are all racists. Just like he's insinuating that all Aussies are racists because of the Cronula stuff (even though the article was written by an Aussie who is clearly disgusted by it all).

As Rog said: "Recognising the reality of it is not the same as endorsing it!".
the OP quotes,
"Does this type of attitude exist all over Australia?
What is being done to combat it?

Seriously having a think now about wether we are moving to the right country!"


how is that insinuating that all Aussies are racists??? I thought a big reason that people are racist is that they mis-interpret others???It is like saying EVERY SINGLE person in a country has to be racist in order for it to be a racist country. (think WW", Germany...everyone felt the same???)We all know that that doesnt happen ANYWHERE. however people can still get a "feel" for a place and say that they think its racist etc due to events even if instigated by a minority (think Hilters era etc etc). The people here i have met in Oz, i would honestly say, I do not think the ones I am friendly with are racist - but then people are drawn to others with similar values. But I do get the feeling that racism is simmering under the surface here, not necessarilly overtly or worse than the UK.
You just have to look to your own values and decide if your can sit comfortably with your new countrys' values. For example, I personally could not live in some middle eastern countries, however much I was paid because the value system is TOO different to my own. As for Australias..well the jurys still out on that one...Its DEFINATELY not worse that England, but not as tolerant as I anticipated.
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