walla

I agree totally with you both as my last post indicated. What's the argument?

Discrimination is discrimination, racism is racism, abuse is abuse, class is class. A point of view is a point of view. Don't matter where you live there are horror stories.

I'm only inviting Kong back into the debate to see what his agenda or argument is.

Seems to me Kong only thinks this happens in Oz. Kong where you at?

Oh, by the way, I tend to avoid politics, but looks like I've broken that promise to myself!!

Does anyone want UK stories of abuse? Plenty of them at hand, say the word and undoudbly there are the same number of stories in Oz.


Walla

seang

here we go :
redfern

wombat42

l agree, why does'nt Kong mention the race riots between Asians and whites in Oldham in England, the institutionalised racism exposed in the British police force by the BBC documentary ' The secret policeman' and what about Stephen Lawrance the black kid who was stabbed to death by a gang of white racists while waiting at a bus stop. This case even shocked Nelson Mandella, used to racism and he said he believed the Uk was more racist then South Africa.

steandleigh

No argument here me old mate - chill out!


Looks like you've let that hairy 'ole primate get the rise out of 'ya.

To me, an exchange of opinions used to be called a ' debate ' or a ' discussion '.

I'm a lover, not a fighter.

steandleigh

All true, but wasn't the Stephen Lawrence enquiry the largest of its kind in british history? I woulden't like to speak as an authority, but does australia spend millions of pounds and thousands of manhours in bringing the culprits of young aboriginal deaths to justice?

Doesn't bring the boy back and obviously hasn't altered the perceptions ( in some peoples minds ) of the cheapness of non white lives but anything which brings it to the fore and gets human beings talking surely is a good thing, no?

walla

you're right

I'm getting out of this one now!!

Got migration to think about, stuff politics, like I said!!

Walla

steandleigh

takes 'ya mind off the cost of your agents for a while tho' eh?!

steandleigh

Just had to chuckle to meself, king kong will be pleased at the length of his thread, oops, here i go again, lengthing it.

mwah.

bondipom

To mark the debate about aboriginals as simply one of race discrimination and prejudice is too simplistic. They are issues but what strikes me as the problem is the apparently unreconcilable differences between western life and aboriginal life.

The block symbolises this difference to an extreme with Aboriginals in the heart of Sydney and in an area where it is not only the indigineous population that has a heroin and substance abuse issue.

Not sure how to reconcile the 2 cultures and so far I cannot see Kong coming up with an opinion on this.

seang

bang on the money again BP

steandleigh

Its hard as an outsider to define what the unreconcilable differences are, if its a case of the diffrence between western culture and something else then i look to some of the arab states where certain dress and alcohol consumption are forbidden for the locals and yet are accepted for the tourists.

i think its probably more a case of a long standing and only very recently altered white australia policy.

nothing like feeling unwelcome in your own country is there?

Peter

So far you've had two threads locked that you've started.

I was making a prediction.

kong

I would not suggest that Australia is the only country in the world with racial problems. As mentioned the UK has race riots, the rise of the BNP. France have Le Pen, intolerance exists world wide.

Australia though is something else. The aboriginals are treated like crap by most Aussies. They are seen as a pain in the arse. White Australia sees it as the aboriginals fault, that they should conform to white European culture. As mentioned it is only 30 odd years sine the white Australia policy for migration. White Australians openly moan about "lebos" "abos" etc, it is shocking to hear and I was appalled by the derogatory language used at non whites by the majority of Aussies.

Lastly, I am posting about real Aussie issues, not just ohhhh look at this beach or god isnt the UK crap. Australia has many unpleasant aspects to it, just like other countries. However, it seems if they are pointed out that future UK immos get rather annoyed with me.

Peter

That's true kong. If someone wants bad opinions on Australia, they could ask me. As an Australian, I'm fairly sure I'd know more about the place that some British immigrant that's only been there 5 or so years.

If racial problems are a biggy to you, then keep clear of the US. Seriously. Australia doesn't have a racial problem compared to the US, or the birthplace of nationalism itself, Europe.

Lastly, it isn't your opinions kong, it's the delivery of them. Get over yourself and calm down, and what you write may be that much more believable.

Just keep in mind that in you're in a minority.

So am I; most people who move to the US, stay there.

bondipom

Saying unreconcilable differences is a bit defeatist of me but at the moment they are unreconciled. Substance abuse and the indigineous tendency to addiction seem to be the unfortunate public face of the differences.

Law is another area of difference. There was an interesting case in the NT recently where a judge held back an aboriginal man from receiving the traditional punishment, a spear in the leg. Just one small example which I will have to dig up the details.

The institiutions with which we surround ourselves are what makes our society tick. If the institutions are irrelevant the society will become dysfunctional. When I talk about institutions I am on about family, education, health as well as the other instruments of government.

Your example of the Arab states is interesting. I certainly remember the disdain western women were held in by some Egyptians. I also remember going to parties with Arab women who covered their hair and would not shake hands with men yet they found their position in the middle of a western piss up fine. They were not drinking.

Something else to remember about Arab states is that they have been trading with the world whilst Europe was in the dark ages. Aborgines were never in a world wide trading system. White man just suddenly appeared.