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Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by geoff52
(Post 12234454)
Glad you did not come to Canada, the country is better off because of it.
I hope you will remain where you are, I am sure they deserve you. |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
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Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12234465)
Step back from it a bit, look at the painting rather than the brushwork.
When you had "stop the boats" it became fairly obvious that the way it was implemented and structured was mostly about keeping poor brown people out. At the same time there were people arriving by air that were claiming asylum, etc. that weren't stopped at all. And they certainly weren't worried about their health or happiness of the asylum seekers .... Now, this particular piece of dog whistle politics needs to be seen in the context of Brexit and Trump's failed EOs. It's about 'keeping out the other' and a push to 'put up walls'. Why? Because the voting public have been taught to fear the immigrant, blame them for anything going wrong. And those immigrants in the minds eye of the public are brown skinned and 'different'. The drive behind this isn't about jobs, it's about the racism that's been engendered in the public as someone to blame for what are actually failures of the politicians. It's about fear, not reality (which would be much more focused on corporate globalisation). |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
When I look at the 457's I work with, none were actually sourced on the open market. They were all sourced within the company and moved to Australia on a 457 visa.
Why? It took less time (time = money) and cost less moving someone internally than it did finding a local, paying agents, etc. Do they have any special skills they couldn't find locally? No. |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12234465)
Step back from it a bit, look at the painting rather than the brushwork.
When you had "stop the boats" it became fairly obvious that the way it was implemented and structured was mostly about keeping poor brown people out. At the same time there were people arriving by air that were claiming asylum, etc. that weren't stopped at all. And they certainly weren't worried about their health or happiness of the asylum seekers .... Now, this particular piece of dog whistle politics needs to be seen in the context of Brexit and Trump's failed EOs. It's about 'keeping out the other' and a push to 'put up walls'. Why? Because the voting public have been taught to fear the immigrant, blame them for anything going wrong. And those immigrants in the minds eye of the public are brown skinned and 'different'. The drive behind this isn't about jobs, it's about the racism that's been engendered in the public as someone to blame for what are actually failures of the politicians. It's about fear, not reality (which would be much more focused on corporate globalisation). Would you honestly go back to the old way of people smugglers and deaths at sea? Simple yes or no will do and if yes a brief explanation will be of interest. |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by stevenglish1
(Post 12234508)
So all these visas were granted to brown people were they?
Read the first line again. |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12234514)
Sigh
Read the first line again. |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by stevenglish1
(Post 12234515)
Stop sighing for god's sake
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Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12234525)
I'll stop sighing when people stop bullshitting and building strawmen.
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Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12234525)
I'll stop sighing when people stop bullshitting and building strawmen.
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Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by stevenglish1
(Post 12234531)
The biggest source of bullshit is unfortunately you mate. No-one is saying this news is great, from what I can see pretty far from it, but racist it isn't. It's not my fault you you have the word racist etched into your glasses.
The 457's visa scheme is a "bullshitting" rort taken advantage of by both employers and PR seekers. It's bullshittered the Australian public for too long. Long overdue tinkering if you ask me. Lets hope the tinkering is enough to fulfill its intended purpose. |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Here Garry is there any chance you can reply in the same vein as usual, I've found a wonderful quote from a hero of mine that is very applicable
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Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by stevenglish1
(Post 12234508)
So all these visas were granted to brown people were they? If no then you're on a sticky wicket at best, if yes then you old son are stereotyping brown people ;). Or is this a straw brown man? The only issue I have with this is the finishing line being put back for people already running the race.
19,620 From India, China, Philippines, Japan, Korea, Nepal and Malaysia 16,720 From UK, USA, Ireland, France, Italy, Canada and Germany 660 From South Africa The top nominated occupation was: Cook. From: BR0008 Subclass 457 quarterly report | 30 June 2016 The 2 new visas to replace the 457 will still allow people in, but for fewer occupation groups. |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by ABCD......
(Post 12234574)
For accuracy, the numbers of 457 Primary Applicants, from the top 15 countries in 2015/16, were:
19,620 From India, China, Philippines, Japan, Korea, Nepal and Malaysia 16,720 From UK, USA, Ireland, France, Italy, Canada and Germany 660 From South Africa The top nominated occupation was: Cook. From: BR0008 Subclass 457 quarterly report | 30 June 2016 The 2 new visas to replace the 457 will still allow people in, but for fewer occupation groups. |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by geoff52
(Post 12234454)
Glad you did not come to Canada, the country is better off because of it.
I hope you will remain where you are, I am sure they deserve you. |
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