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Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12233336)
Sigh. Once again, you haven't got within 100 miles of even answering the facts presented. Hell, you are heading away from even understanding it, fingers in ears. This was a political act by Trunbull, designed to appeal to the anti-immigrant mouth breathers of his party after seeing it work so well in the US and UK. And, of course, 457 visa holders can't vote. Strategically it's a misstep, since getting really skilled types will help as automation bites the arse out of rote jobs. A microbiologist, going forward, is going to be more employable than an accountant. And if you want the average standard of living to not collapse, you are going to need a big rebalancing. The bottom line is this. 1. 457's have been abused in the past for their emotional desire to be in Australia and move to PR. Their salary and conditions have suffered as a result. (wow I feel so left wing) 2. The ease of which a 457 can be obtained has allowed employers to use migration as a selling point to attract cheaper foreign workers. 3. Using the above employers have been able to put foreign workers first before locals. The changes reduce the bad points of the above while still allowing employers to temporarily employ from abroad where there is a skills shortage. Simple. And whilst you are on occupations (perhaps you should stop talking about individual occupations when you got the plumber and the chef so wrong) accountants come in all shapes an sizes. Your everyday tax accountant might have their days numbered, but your reporting accountant, the guy who explains all those tricky, cost, profit, loss, numbers to the board in simple, plain easy to understand language won't. Robots don't know how to articulate. Another failed attempt at the automation agenda. |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by verystormy
(Post 12233391)
No, the new regs state that if your occupation is only eligible for a 2 year 457, then you are only eligible for two of them. After which there are no visa options.
Do you have the offical regs to hand? From Mal T's speech yesterday he said there is both a 2 year and 4 year visa. He also said the path to permanent residency is still open. How did Human Resource Advisers top the list of 457's granted. Lets hope they remove that. We don't need any more of those wastes of space. ...... globally |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12233439)
Do you have the offical regs to hand? From Mal T's speech yesterday he said there is both a 2 year and 4 year visa. He also said the path to permanent residency is still open.
How did Human Resource Advisers top the list of 457's granted. Lets hope they remove that. We don't need any more of those wastes of space. ...... globally |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 12233451)
And accountants - Australia is swarming with them
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Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12233458)
Which type? Like doctors there's many breeds and specialties.
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Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12233336)
This was a political act by Trunbull, designed to appeal to the anti-immigrant mouth breathers of his party after seeing it work so well in the US and UK. And, of course, 457 visa holders can't vote.
Racism doesn't actually win elections in Australia, Malcolm I'll tell you something else interesting - the murdoch rags have dropped talking about it pretty sharpish, without going into any of the details, consequences, or drivers. Interesting ... |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12233513)
You know, I do wonder if there is a reporter hanging round here, picking up leads. This is the second time now I've point out what's going on only to have the press pick up the same direction shortly afterwards.
Racism doesn't actually win elections in Australia, Malcolm I'll tell you something else interesting - the murdoch rags have dropped talking about it pretty sharpish, without going into any of the details, consequences, or drivers. Interesting ... |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12233513)
You know, I do wonder if there is a reporter hanging round here, picking up leads. This is the second time now I've point out what's going on only to have the press pick up the same direction shortly afterwards.
Racism doesn't actually win elections in Australia, Malcolm I'll tell you something else interesting - the murdoch rags have dropped talking about it pretty sharpish, without going into any of the details, consequences, or drivers. Interesting ... |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by Paullehh
(Post 12233129)
Do we have any solid info of skills they will still allow in just the same?
I was planning on Melbourne as a Network engineer. Network Engineers were on the list of skills to be given visas without Jobs or sponsership. ( i'm v new to all this and don't recall the category it fell in, just that it was the top one) Also just joined forum on the back of all this happening. Hi all :) |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
(Post 12233599)
IT suffers as a result of 457s. Too many Indians whose English is simply not good enough to handle the complexity IT presents.
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Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
(Post 12233599)
IT suffers as a result of 457s. Too many Indians whose English is simply not good enough to handle the complexity IT presents.
I was looking at Canada too as the much colder and miserable alternate option. It seems in 2015 they removed IT positions from the list as they are just not needed. Is the situation in Melbourne different? That is my ideal destination. Any advice or points in the right direction would be much appreciated. I fear networking is far easier to understand than the god damn Visa process. :banghead: |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by Paullehh
(Post 12233760)
So in my particular situation applying as a Network Engineer is this working out in my favour?
I was looking at Canada too as the much colder and miserable alternate option. It seems in 2015 they removed IT positions from the list as they are just not needed. Is the situation in Melbourne different? That is my ideal destination. Any advice or points in the right direction would be much appreciated. I fear networking is far easier to understand than the god damn Visa process. :banghead: It's still very early days for this (pending) legislation, and the lack of detail is causing a lot of concern. |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12233513)
You know, I do wonder if there is a reporter hanging round here, picking up leads. This is the second time now I've point out what's going on only to have the press pick up the same direction shortly afterwards.
Racism doesn't actually win elections in Australia, Malcolm I'll tell you something else interesting - the murdoch rags have dropped talking about it pretty sharpish, without going into any of the details, consequences, or drivers. Interesting ... |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Was at the local drinking hole with a couple of friends. One of them mentioned how much of a shock to the system this entire week had been, with one dream destination after another tightening up immigration. He had plans to apply to Australia as an accountant, but had sat on his arse a little too long, and then, this had to happen. Went on and on about how stupid and short-sighted this was, and how it would affect the Australian economy and exacerbate the skill shortage in the future. Yes, he's a bit of a typical whinging Pom.
I took a step back and had to suppress a chuckle, or two, or three. For a minute there, I thought I was listening to a Pole complaining about Brexit. Ain't nearly as funny when the shoe's on the other foot, mate. |
Re: 457 visa scrapped
Originally Posted by Paullehh
(Post 12233760)
So in my particular situation applying as a Network Engineer is this working out in my favour?
I was looking at Canada too as the much colder and miserable alternate option. It seems in 2015 they removed IT positions from the list as they are just not needed. Is the situation in Melbourne different? That is my ideal destination. Any advice or points in the right direction would be much appreciated. I fear networking is far easier to understand than the god damn Visa process. :banghead: |
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