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457 visa scrapped
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has banned 457 visas
I never saw this coming I kind of agree with it - bring in PRs or nothing |
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 12231276)
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has banned 457 visas
I never saw this coming I kind of agree with it - bring in PRs or nothing WOW! Seems to lack a lot of detail yet and for sure like everything, there are a few that are using 457's for what it is not meant for. But I know a lot of Australian business, especially in regional areas, that are only able to operate because of people on 457 visas. Could cause massive problems for them. I came on a 457 visa 10 years ago and by doing so managed to turn around the Australia company and saved 25 or so Aussie jobs. If it had been a longer process, the company might of gone under while waiting for me. This is more about headlines than jobs and investment. |
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Another kick in the teeth for small business in this country .The logic is to give the jobs to local Australians But we need skilled local Australians now and they are just not available now that was the reason for the visa political madness:thumbdown:
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Looking down the lists, I don't think they are doing what they claim they are doing. There are a lot of highly skilled jobs that are coming off the two 457ish visa lists - lots of engineers, pilots, scientists, etc. At the same time most IT and chef type roles AREN'T coming off. For instance "ICT business Analyst" is still on the 'medium' list. as is "Lift Mechanic", "Locksmith", "Plumber", and even Chef (but with asterisks).
I think this has a lot to do with looking like they are doing something - but still allowing their mates to bring in cheap workers. It's not strategic. |
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Originally Posted by Oakwood 2
(Post 12231303)
Another kick in the teeth for small business in this country .The logic is to give the jobs to local Australians But we need skilled local Australians now and they are just not available now that was the reason for the visa political madness:thumbdown:
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/prime-minister-malcolm-turnbull-has-banned-457-visas/news-story/7064434e051073a0882a3e11dd8bc87f |
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Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12231405)
Did you read the headline and forget the detail? Not that there is much detail yet but there's a bit here. Doesn't sound like your business will be affected.
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has banned 457 visas |
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More detail revealed this morning. Somehow the ABC was on my TV. What I got out of Mal's speech was that there is still a path to residency but its not as easy as it is now .... fair enough. There is also a 4 year visa with less jobs types available than the 2 year visa. Both have had the job types reduced ..... radio announcers have been removed.
At the end of the speech, the ABC said "strong speech". No negativity from the lefties. |
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Plus
NZ announcing today that they are scaling back their skilled immigration program The Donald rejigging the US's H1-B visa system Definitely a trend internationally |
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This is a gigantic miscalculation by Turnbull and co, they risk not allowing someone like me into the country, which let's face it would be to the detriment of Australian society.
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1
(Post 12232308)
This is a gigantic miscalculation by Turnbull and co, they risk not allowing someone like me into the country, which let's face it would be to the detriment of Australian society.
The press is beginning to wise up and recognise what I commented upon yesterday - that the occupations picked to come off the list aren't the ones that can easily be filled by Australian applicants, but instead the weirder edge cases that don't actually change anything. Estimate is that the 200 fewer roles on the list account for just 8.6% of all 457 holders (rather than the 28-30% it would be if across the board, and the higher percentage it should be if the 'rort' roles were targeted). 18 of the roles haven't been used for 457 visas in the last decade, and a further 46 haven't be used in the past year. Meanwhile chef, plumber, etc. are still there. In other words, this is a con to try and look like it's doing something, by getting rid of roles that actually WOULD be hard to fill in Australia. Malcolm Turnbull's new visa jobs list would affect just 9 per cent of 457 holders: Shorten Plus, of course, the 457 is only a small fraction of the total workforce - so only 0.1% of jobs are affected with the changes. Totally in the noise and solving nothing - nice one Trunbull, good to see you are keeping up the track record. |
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Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12232338)
Wellllllll..........
The press is beginning to wise up and recognise what I commented upon yesterday - that the occupations picked to come off the list aren't the ones that can easily be filled by Australian applicants, but instead the weirder edge cases that don't actually change anything. Estimate is that the 200 fewer roles on the list account for just 8.6% of all 457 holders (rather than the 28-30% it would be if across the board, and the higher percentage it should be if the 'rort' roles were targeted). 18 of the roles haven't been used for 457 visas in the last decade, and a further 46 haven't be used in the past year. Meanwhile chef, plumber, etc. are still there. In other words, this is a con to try and look like it's doing something, by getting rid of roles that actually WOULD be hard to fill in Australia. Malcolm Turnbull's new visa jobs list would affect just 9 per cent of 457 holders: Shorten Plus, of course, the 457 is only a small fraction of the total workforce - so only 0.1% of jobs are affected with the changes. Totally in the noise and solving nothing - nice one Trunbull, good to see you are keeping up the track record. |
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Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12232340)
What is wrong with a plumber and chef being on the list. Have you ever tried to hire one of those outside a city? Near impossible
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457, RSMS and ENS types are all prone to being flaunted by one side or the other and are rarely "policed" adequately.
However it would have been a good idea to start at the sharp end and clamp down on family sponsorship visas. Stop the hundreds of family members who don't go through the same criteria. |
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Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12232340)
What is wrong with a plumber and chef being on the list. Have you ever tried to hire one of those outside a city? Near impossible
Whereas aircraft pilot? That takes a LOT of training, money etc. over many years and an aptitude, AND they are in demand at the moment - with aussie pilots going to SE Asia and MENA to take advantage of the pay packets they can get. The rhetoric of Trunbull and the potato don't match the reality of their actions. |
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Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12232442)
Because in reality you can and should be training up locals to do those jobs in relatively short time - any shortage is purely down to local training failures and red tape.
Whereas aircraft pilot? That takes a LOT of training, money etc. over many years and an aptitude, AND they are in demand at the moment - with aussie pilots going to SE Asia and MENA to take advantage of the pay packets they can get. The rhetoric of Trunbull and the potato don't match the reality of their actions. |
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Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12232442)
Because in reality you can and should be training up locals to do those jobs in relatively short time - any shortage is purely down to local training failures and red tape.
Whereas aircraft pilot? That takes a LOT of training, money etc. over many years and an aptitude, AND they are in demand at the moment - with aussie pilots going to SE Asia and MENA to take advantage of the pay packets they can get. The rhetoric of Trunbull and the potato don't match the reality of their actions. Chefs are in short supply in tourist towns. Its hard to attract chefs when the work is seasonal, and they have to shift location every few months. So aircraft pilots aren't in short supply then, especially if the pay is low here. Supply and demand, yep take them off the list. Not really sure what you are saying here, other than another boring, unjustified stab at Mal T. |
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Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12232536)
Training to be a plumber takes longer than many degrees. And where you have the shortage is in small towns. You can't train them up there, there is no where to train, so they bugger off to get trained and never return. Everyone needs to shit and shower. That's no good if your shitter goes on the blink.
Chefs are in short supply in tourist towns. Its hard to attract chefs when the work is seasonal, and they have to shift location every few months. So aircraft pilots aren't in short supply then, especially if the pay is low here. Supply and demand, yep take them off the list. Not really sure what you are saying here, other than another boring, unjustified stab at Mal T. |
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Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12232536)
Not really sure what you are saying here, other than another boring, unjustified stab at Mal T.
http://pm1.narvii.com/6173/9736ac112...e4513d1_hq.jpg Badly thought out, and destructive to workers (both migrants and residents) whilst helping CEOs extract extra profit. |
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Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12232602)
Sigh
http://pm1.narvii.com/6173/9736ac112...e4513d1_hq.jpg Badly thought out, and destructive to workers (both migrants and residents) whilst helping CEOs extract extra profit. CEO's like 457's. Its an opportunity to source cheap labour and if its not cheap, you can source the world for the best skills, rather than your own backyard. Your targetted attack and hidden agenda is being exposed very quickly. |
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Many businesses and governments have run into huge trouble, on the assumption that workers are like popsicle sticks and you can just "upskill" and "develop" people to do complex tasks in short amounts of time if your training staff create the right program.
That being said - Australia is not Nepal, it is a major first-world country that should not need to, as a general rule, import talent unless in areas of absolute shortage. That is what the 457 program was designed to do - give businesses the option of bringing in foreign workers if no Australian could do the job. It was not designed to allow businesses to hire foreign workers if they could do it better or cheaper than an adequately trained Australian. The program was abused and I support mandatory labor market testing for all temporary work visas. |
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Originally Posted by carcajou
(Post 12232617)
Many businesses and governments have run into huge trouble, on the assumption that workers are like popsicle sticks and you can just "upskill" and "develop" people to do complex tasks in short amounts of time if your training staff create the right program.
That being said - Australia is not Nepal, it is a major first-world country that should not need to, as a general rule, import talent unless in areas of absolute shortage. That is what the 457 program was designed to do - give businesses the option of bringing in foreign workers if no Australian could do the job. It was not designed to allow businesses to hire foreign workers if they could do it better or cheaper than an adequately trained Australian. The program was abused and I support mandatory labor market testing for all temporary work visas. The current system was in place to support the mining boom. It worked to a degree to suit the need at the time. That said most 457 holders ended up in Melbourne and Sydney but times were good and the system wasn't controlled, it didn't need to be. Fast forward there is no mining boom and what suited back then needs some tweaking for now. The tweaks are minor and are structured to suit the purpose of temporary skilled migration. Its a non issue. Crack on and implement. |
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Interesting article here.
'If you’re going to hit the panic button, it helps if that button actually achieves something and does it effectively. What’s surprising about yesterday’s 457 visa “abolition” announcement from the government is that it stands a relatively good chance of achieving its political goal, while having minimal impact on the economy. It is, of course, a profound act of hypocrisy from Turnbull and the rest of his party. When Julia Gillard started the bashing of foreign workers back in 2013 by making changes to the 457 system, Turnbull, like his colleagues, defended them to the hilt as you’d expect the stout tribunes of the business sector to do. But nearly four years later, the visas have “lost credibility” — even though the Coalition has been in government for all but six months of the intervening period. Moreover, while the system was apparently working sufficiently well in 2013 that there was no need for significant change, it now turns out that Bill Shorten had by that time — at least according to Turnbull — opened the floodgates. It’s all very like the middle-class welfare cuts the Liberals denounced when in opposition — but once in government, they went much further. Or, at least, that’s what they want voters to think. [Despite scandals, 457s help a changing economy] In fact, 457 visas have been an important mechanism for the workforce to respond to changing demand patterns — since the Rudd years, construction, mining and health 457s have been replaced with tech sector and hospitality industry 457s as the most common visas, reflecting a changing economy. And, yes, they’ve also been persistently rorted by some employers that have evaded market testing requirements and exploited 457 workers who don’t know their rights, at the expense of Australian workers. What’s needed is a tightening, not the removal, of the temporary worker system and a reversal of the ballooning categories in which visas are allowed. And, in fact, that’s more or less what the government is aiming for — but under the pretence of abolishing the whole scheme. Call these new visas 754s — different name, same product. A couple of hundred occupations, many apparently cut and pasted from the jobs list for the Golgafrincham “B” ark, have been removed from the long list of applicable jobs. Variety artists. Homeopaths. Judges. IP lawyers. Funeral directors. Dog racing officials. Intelligence officers (!?). But the two sectors currently using 457s the most, tech and hospitality, don’t appear to face significant changes: only a small number of jobs have been removed from the tech industry list; chefs, cooks and restaurant managers remain on the list, as do medical and health occupations — and a huge number of trades positions. Applicants will need demonstrated experience in the occupation and higher standards of English language proficiency and employers will face “mandatory labour market testing, unless an international obligation applies” and “strengthened requirement for employers to contribute to training Australian workers”. But Tuesday’s announcement was notably light on what exactly the “strengthened requirements” on training would entail, and it said nothing about the fact that labour market testing — already much honoured in the breach rather than the observance — is already “mandatory”. [Why temporary migration is a permanent thing] In short, the changes will have minimal effect but will might make it slightly harder for employers to exploit the system. And the renaming will allow the government to claim it has gone one further than Labor — you’ll be hearing the word “abolish” a lot. Business is broadly on board with this approach — although the government won’t thank them for being less than subtle about how this is primarily a renaming of a program that had earned a bad reputation. “An Opportunity To Rebuild Public Confidence,” the Business Council called it, because “the capacity for businesses to hire temporary workers to fill genuine skill shortages has been an overall boon for Australia.” “The 457 visa system was a highly valued program but misunderstandings of its use and exaggerations of its misuse led it to become a lightning rod for anti-migration sentiments,” said Innes Willox, head of employer group AIG. “The temporary skilled visa program should now be considered as settled without the need for further reviews and disruptive policy change.” The renaming is the first of a series of steps the government will take to cater to populist sentiment within the community, with immigration restrictions set to be further increased. Unlike with 457s, expect the immigration changes to be more substantive. While business supports high immigration, it’s not an issue that directly affects their operations, so the government will have a freer hand to plumb the deepening waters of xenophobia in the electorate.' Correct or not, it's a point of view. |
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20
(Post 12232632)
Interesting article here.
'If you’re going to hit the panic button, it helps if that button actually achieves something and does it effectively. What’s surprising about yesterday’s 457 visa “abolition” announcement from the government is that it stands a relatively good chance of achieving its political goal, while having minimal impact on the economy. It is, of course, a profound act of hypocrisy from Turnbull and the rest of his party. When Julia Gillard started the bashing of foreign workers back in 2013 by making changes to the 457 system, Turnbull, like his colleagues, defended them to the hilt as you’d expect the stout tribunes of the business sector to do. But nearly four years later, the visas have “lost credibility” — even though the Coalition has been in government for all but six months of the intervening period. Moreover, while the system was apparently working sufficiently well in 2013 that there was no need for significant change, it now turns out that Bill Shorten had by that time — at least according to Turnbull — opened the floodgates. It’s all very like the middle-class welfare cuts the Liberals denounced when in opposition — but once in government, they went much further. Or, at least, that’s what they want voters to think. [Despite scandals, 457s help a changing economy] In fact, 457 visas have been an important mechanism for the workforce to respond to changing demand patterns — since the Rudd years, construction, mining and health 457s have been replaced with tech sector and hospitality industry 457s as the most common visas, reflecting a changing economy. And, yes, they’ve also been persistently rorted by some employers that have evaded market testing requirements and exploited 457 workers who don’t know their rights, at the expense of Australian workers. What’s needed is a tightening, not the removal, of the temporary worker system and a reversal of the ballooning categories in which visas are allowed. And, in fact, that’s more or less what the government is aiming for — but under the pretence of abolishing the whole scheme. Call these new visas 754s — different name, same product. A couple of hundred occupations, many apparently cut and pasted from the jobs list for the Golgafrincham “B” ark, have been removed from the long list of applicable jobs. Variety artists. Homeopaths. Judges. IP lawyers. Funeral directors. Dog racing officials. Intelligence officers (!?). But the two sectors currently using 457s the most, tech and hospitality, don’t appear to face significant changes: only a small number of jobs have been removed from the tech industry list; chefs, cooks and restaurant managers remain on the list, as do medical and health occupations — and a huge number of trades positions. Applicants will need demonstrated experience in the occupation and higher standards of English language proficiency and employers will face “mandatory labour market testing, unless an international obligation applies” and “strengthened requirement for employers to contribute to training Australian workers”. But Tuesday’s announcement was notably light on what exactly the “strengthened requirements” on training would entail, and it said nothing about the fact that labour market testing — already much honoured in the breach rather than the observance — is already “mandatory”. [Why temporary migration is a permanent thing] In short, the changes will have minimal effect but will might make it slightly harder for employers to exploit the system. And the renaming will allow the government to claim it has gone one further than Labor — you’ll be hearing the word “abolish” a lot. Business is broadly on board with this approach — although the government won’t thank them for being less than subtle about how this is primarily a renaming of a program that had earned a bad reputation. “An Opportunity To Rebuild Public Confidence,” the Business Council called it, because “the capacity for businesses to hire temporary workers to fill genuine skill shortages has been an overall boon for Australia.” “The 457 visa system was a highly valued program but misunderstandings of its use and exaggerations of its misuse led it to become a lightning rod for anti-migration sentiments,” said Innes Willox, head of employer group AIG. “The temporary skilled visa program should now be considered as settled without the need for further reviews and disruptive policy change.” The renaming is the first of a series of steps the government will take to cater to populist sentiment within the community, with immigration restrictions set to be further increased. Unlike with 457s, expect the immigration changes to be more substantive. While business supports high immigration, it’s not an issue that directly affects their operations, so the government will have a freer hand to plumb the deepening waters of xenophobia in the electorate.' Correct or not, it's a point of view. |
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Do we have any solid info of skills they will still allow in just the same?
I was planning on Melbourne as a Network engineer. Network Engineers were on the list of skills to be given visas without Jobs or sponsership. ( i'm v new to all this and don't recall the category it fell in, just that it was the top one) Also just joined forum on the back of all this happening. Hi all :) |
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Originally Posted by Paullehh
(Post 12233129)
Do we have any solid info of skills they will still allow in just the same?
I was planning on Melbourne as a Network engineer. Network Engineers were on the list of skills to be given visas without Jobs or sponsership. ( i'm v new to all this and don't recall the category it fell in, just that it was the top one) Also just joined forum on the back of all this happening. Hi all :) |
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Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12233134)
457 is a sponsorship visa.
Thanks for the help I'm so clueless with the Visa process. |
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Originally Posted by moneypenny20
(Post 12232632)
Interesting article here.
'If you’re going to hit the panic button, it helps if that button actually achieves something and does it effectively. What’s surprising about yesterday’s 457 visa “abolition” announcement from the government is that it stands a relatively good chance of achieving its political goal, while having minimal impact on the economy. Bill Shorten claims 77pc of 457 visa workers excluded from checks thanks to FTAs - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) BTW I've changed my mind. I don't think there's necessarily a set of bad employment figures coming through. With this, and the new citizenship changes just announced, I think he's just playing up to the far right racist wing prior to the budget coming out - which looks to be really bad (who knew you can't cut your way to greatness). He needs something to cover his back from the storm of knives that will arrive otherwise. It's noticeable that Dutton, the chief pretender to the throne, was included in this little charade. |
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Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12233241)
Oh dear, another day, another gaping hole. According to Labor, the FTA agreements that the coalition have been in such a hurry to sign will mean 77% of 457s will be waved through without any market testing - which pretty much invalidates this whole sorry mess.
Bill Shorten claims 77pc of 457 visa workers excluded from checks thanks to FTAs - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) BTW I've changed my mind. I don't think there's necessarily a set of bad employment figures coming through. With this, and the new citizenship changes just announced, I think he's just playing up to the far right racist wing prior to the budget coming out - which looks to be really bad (who knew you can't cut your way to greatness). He needs something to cover his back from the storm of knives that will arrive otherwise. It's noticeable that Dutton, the chief pretender to the throne, was included in this little charade. |
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Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12232602)
Sigh
http://pm1.narvii.com/6173/9736ac112...e4513d1_hq.jpg Badly thought out, and destructive to workers (both migrants and residents) whilst helping CEOs extract extra profit. |
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Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12232536)
Training to be a plumber takes longer than many degrees. And where you have the shortage is in small towns. You can't train them up there, there is no where to train, so they bugger off to get trained and never return. Everyone needs to shit and shower. That's no good if your shitter goes on the blink.
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1
(Post 12233244)
Show a bit of respect, she is a moderator
Originally Posted by stevenglish1
(Post 12233251)
How can it be badly thought out and destructive AND innefectual?
However the business owners (and corporate donors to the libs) can still bring in as many as they like in the key rort roles, and low pay, and because they are still tied to the employer, treat them like shit. And with these FTA agreements, they don't even have to look like they are market testing. It's not badly thought out - it's thought out with evil intent, rather than what was claimed in the press conference. As I say, many more people are recognising that now |
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Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12233257)
I'm agreeing with Moneypenny ...
Did my sense of humour go over your head, or was it, as I suspect, beneath you? ;) What they are doing is NOT removing the rorts from the visa, so Aussie workers are still disadvantaged from things that should be filled onshore (like the plumbers etc.) The migrants that are bought in are disadvantaged since there is nothing to ensure they are paid the going rate AND now many will not have a path to residency. However the business owners (and corporate donors to the libs) can still bring in as many as they like in the key rort roles, and low pay, and because they are still tied to the employer, treat them like shit. And with these FTA agreements, they don't even have to look like they are market testing. It's not badly thought out - it's thought out with evil intent, rather than what was claimed in the press conference. As I say, many more people are recognising that now |
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Fewer flotsam coming in, more of Australia for the entitled and privileged then.
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1
(Post 12233266)
So nothing has changed, the 457 has always been used by employers as a stick with which to beat employees, and employers haven't to my knowledge ever looked at Aussies first. As for low pay though, as I understood it 457 holders' minimum wage is substantially above the norm. The path to residency is the only biggun here, and with no path there'll be a big drop in people coming on 457s.
Many 457 holders either do not know their rights or are afraid to enact them. It's a catch 22 for the visa holder. Complain and you might lose your job. Unscrupulous sponsors prey on that fear. Many use the 457 for quick access to the country so with no PR trail I agree there won't be many takers. |
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Originally Posted by xizzles
(Post 12233271)
Fewer flotsam coming in, more of Australia for the entitled and privileged then.
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Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 12233241)
Oh dear, another day, another gaping hole. According to Labor, the FTA agreements that the coalition have been in such a hurry to sign will mean 77% of 457s will be waved through without any market testing - which pretty much invalidates this whole sorry mess.
Bill Shorten claims 77pc of 457 visa workers excluded from checks thanks to FTAs - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) BTW I've changed my mind. I don't think there's necessarily a set of bad employment figures coming through. With this, and the new citizenship changes just announced, I think he's just playing up to the far right racist wing prior to the budget coming out - which looks to be really bad (who knew you can't cut your way to greatness). He needs something to cover his back from the storm of knives that will arrive otherwise. It's noticeable that Dutton, the chief pretender to the throne, was included in this little charade. |
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Wait, I just realised, in anticipation of the tougher Citizenship English Language requirements, it should have been fewer pieces of flotsam...
Australia, protector and defender of the Queen's English. |
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Originally Posted by Beoz
(Post 12232536)
Training to be a plumber takes longer than many degrees.
MrBEVS had 5 years of training plus the practical and written exams to meet UK standards. He then virtually did that whole thing again to meet NZ standards. One cannot train & teach someone to be a quality experienced knowledable tradesman in a "short space of time". Anymore than one can do that with an accountant , a nurse or even a GP. Trade shortages comes from young'uns expectations these years. Many do not want to work full-time for at least 4 years + training + learning + assessment + exams and all for an apprentice wage.
Originally Posted by stevenglish1
(Post 12233244)
Show a bit of respect, she is a moderator
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Originally Posted by BEVS
(Post 12233291)
Karma matey.:p
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1
(Post 12233266)
So nothing has changed, the 457 has always been used by employers as a stick with which to beat employees, and employers haven't to my knowledge ever looked at Aussies first. As for low pay though, as I understood it 457 holders' minimum wage is substantially above the norm. The path to residency is the only biggun here, and with no path there'll be a big drop in people coming on 457s.
There are 2 types, a 4 year and a 2 year. The 4 year has a lot less jobs on the list and is designed for a person that's really hard to find. 2 year is easier, more jobs. I do wonder what happens after 2 years though. If you can't source anyone locally, can the same candidate reapply, clocking up another 2 years, and there's your path to residency? So the end result of this is that employers are going to have to be serious. Gone of the days of promising someone a path to residency to attract them. Gone of the days of being tied to the employer long term. Employers are going to have to stump up the big bucks, as the candidates will want that if its effectively going to be a 2 year contract role, then you are out. |
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