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If you look at your census data historically of South Africa in the 20th century...Whites never made up more the 21% of the countries population at any time and was in decline throughout the entire century.

The 1904 census showed European White's to make up 21% of the population whilst the African Black population accounted for 67%. This is also the census where whites provided their greatest share of the countries people.

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Some excellent posts!

Of course we must understand and acknowledge that mankind from the beginning has used barbaric means for progression, but we should only look to the past in order to change the future. A society or individual who continually blames others (long-past personal or political wrong doings) for where they are now cannot progress or be trully happy. Even on a basic level in Britain there are certain people who would never vote Tory because of Thatcher, even if they believed now in the Party's policies or knew they could benefit as an individual from them being in power - I am not saying I am a Tory, just making the point!

What concerns me is that black politicians who have come from humble means enjoy their new-found wealth and become greedier than any of their predicessors (who were just racist). In doing so they become corrupt and use violence to keep their wealth instead of bringing prosperity to there people - Mugabe, Idi Amin to name but a few.

I think Apartheid is still to blame for the current situation however to continually blame the brits 100 years on is pointless. Just because they wronged the Africaans does not mean that the Africaans in turn can justify wronging the blacks and coloured people. However, this present government is the one that holds the keys to success or failure and it is they that should be blamed or praised accordingly now.

People can still blame the British if they must, but who are these British? They no longer exist.

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In essence war leaders never make good presidents/PM in peace time. If we see the example of Wellington and Churchill in the UK, both were poor peacetime PM's.
Madiba himself was more of a statesman and left the policy details to others (perhaps to SA's detriment).

Mugabe is an interesting one as for a long time he was seen as a good president of Zimbabwe. In fact the UK government in 1994 gave him a knighthood.

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So 2 world wars, the great depression, Spanish flu etc etc etc and a South African government for 30 odd years had nothing to do with this, it was all the fault of the British. And the solution, get the black man, why not the British if they caused the problem?

Yet you sit in judgement of Kitchener and the British of 1902.
;)

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Good point Daxk, ageing memory perhaps? :)

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To blame for what? And what do you base this opinion on?

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I always get suspicious when people start using the passive. I certainly did not see Mugabe as a good president or a good man either. His genocide in the early 1980s was hushed up with the connivance of the British government, on the grounds that if it came out into the open, it might alarm the white minority in South Africa, who would read it as a foretaste of what was coming.

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Pretty big allegation, what do you base this on?
;)

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Oh, Stanley, please. Can't you manage anything except puerile drivel? It all came out a few years ago, though it obviously didn't reach your incurious confused mind. Geoffrey Howe was Foreign Secretary at the time of the Matabeleland massacres. He later admitted it all. So did others in the British government at the time. I don't know where you were at the time. Drunk on coke and klippie as usual, I suspect.

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I would state this the government that gave Mugabe this knighthood was the tory government in the UK who took a very strong line against the African nationals in SA itself during the 1980's so to say they would have ignored or were allowed to be mislead on Zimbabwe is surprising.
I know many South Africans who openly admit that up to a point he was deemed a good president... these people aren't new-age liberals either; rather traditional Afrikaners who take very strong lines on other aspects of live in South African politics.

I'm not advocating his rule or stating that anything he has done since the 1990's has been nothing short of intolerable rather just highlighting the fact that for a decade after he won power he was deemed a good president.

In the late 1990's (15 years + after White's lost power in Rhodesia) 70% of all the arable land in Zimbabwe was still owned by white farmers... even though they constituted less then 1% of the population.
If Mugabe always had a plan such that you speak from the very beginning why would he have allowed the bastion of post colonial whites in Southern Africa ...i.e. the farms, to remain in their hands for so long?

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...Then be surprised.

More passives. No he wasn't. If there was anything, it was just relief that he didn't immediately turn Zimbabwe into a Marxist or pseudo-Marxist one-party state. But we can now see that one-party rule is precisely what was always intended, and the trouble started when this was called into question.

You really can't get your head out of this fatuous race-based analysis of society, can you? I don't own a farm. So what? The people who should own farms are the people who can farm them successfully.

More race nonsense.

I think the answer to that is evident if you look at the current state of Zimbabwe.

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So, I never heard Geoffrey Howe say that he and the British Govt (of Margaret Thatcher) connived with Robert Mugabe,to cover up genocide so as not to alarm the white minority of SA, (Even as I write it it sounds more and more unbelievable), there is no need to get personal. :thumbdown:

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Then I suggest you stop your snide and uninformed drive-bys with their childish little yellow faces. But of course you have never let anything as irritating as the facts get in the way of your dreary agenda.

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Now, now boys, not in the presence of a lady! :rofl:

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Its interesting that you state that 'facts get in the way' to other people's posts but your own response to people making points on your own opinions is to shout them down stating 'lies, lies and statistics'.

The next time you say...'again lies' or 'more nonsense', it would be good to see some support.