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Old May 16th 2012, 6:52 am   #16
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Just in response to your original question gasfitters/central heating specialists probably more in demand in Canada than OZ
Good to know about UK (your previous post) and yep we are aware that Canada probably has more to offer workwise.

I would like to go to Canada first for a few years and if its not what we are looking for then give Australia a go. The kids are still young enough 5 + 2 so I don't think it should upset them too much.

Hey, why not do both. My nomad genes seeping through??
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Still confused re the above. Surely if it is expunged/spent it won't show up on a criminal check?
Yes, it will - your police check will just show 'no live trace', meaning that there is a conviction but that it isn't recent or that it's been stepped down ('no trace' is a completely clean record).

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What is the point of getting it expunged if you still have to declare it?
Getting it expunged in Ireland has nothing to do with Canadian immigration though - on any visa form it will ask about your criminal record, and you must declare it. It doesn't just ask about convictions that haven't been expunged, it asks you about any that you've ever had - even if that was 50 years ago they must still be declared. CIC would then decide if you are admissible or not.

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We are trying to emigrate on a budget. We are officially unemployed at the moment and the dole gets you so far so can't afford for rehabilitation to start getting expensive.
Rehab isn't expensive at all, so don't worry about that, certainly not in the grand scheme of things anyway. Given that it costs most families around £25-30k to emigrate to Canada, the fee for a criminal rehab application is a drop in the ocean!

If you can emigrate 'on a budget' then good luck to you, but unfortunately emigration is a very expensive business. This recent thread from the Canada forum may be useful, in which other forum members gave info on how much it had cost them - cost of moving to canada

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Yes, it will - your police check will just show 'no live trace', meaning that there is a conviction but that it isn't recent or that it's been stepped down ('no trace' is a completely clean record).



Getting it expunged in Ireland has nothing to do with Canadian immigration though - on any visa form it will ask about your criminal record, and you must declare it. It doesn't just ask about convictions that haven't been expunged, it asks you about any that you've ever had - even if that was 50 years ago they must still be declared. CIC would then decide if you are admissible or not.


Rehab isn't expensive at all, so don't worry about that, certainly not in the grand scheme of things anyway. Given that it costs most families around £25-30k to emigrate to Canada, the fee for a criminal rehab application is a drop in the ocean!

If you can emigrate 'on a budget' then good luck to you, but unfortunately emigration is a very expensive business. This recent thread from the Canada forum may be useful, in which other forum members gave info on how much it had cost them - cost of moving to canada

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Thanks for clearing up the 'trace' stuff for me.

Okay, so it's time to fill in the Application for Rehab and hope we are successful.


We are hoping to be sponsored over and if it means my hubby working there for a few months before we follow due to finances so be it.

We have a van and jeep to sell as well as lots of plumbing equipment so that should help it along.
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Rehab isn't expensive at all, so don't worry about that, certainly not in the grand scheme of things anyway. Given that it costs most families around £25-30k to emigrate to Canada, the fee for a criminal rehab application is a drop in the ocean!

If you can emigrate 'on a budget' then good luck to you, but unfortunately emigration is a very expensive business. This recent thread from the Canada forum may be useful, in which other forum members gave info on how much it had cost them - cost of moving to canada

HTH.

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Just gone onto that thread and got a little 'cheesed off'.

I know of loads of people that have been sponsored to Canada with barely a cent in the pocket due to the recession here so I won't give up hope.

It's my mission to prove that it can be done 'on a budget' for anyone out there in the same situation as us instead of just lying back and accepting our lot because we don't have work and 1000's in the bank.
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Just gone onto that thread and got a little 'cheesed off'.

I know of loads of people that have been sponsored to Canada with barely a cent in the pocket due to the recession here so I won't give up hope.

It's my mission to prove that it can be done 'on a budget' for anyone out there in the same situation as us instead of just lying back and accepting our lot because we don't have work and 1000's in the bank.
Even just allowing for the basics, I can't see how you'd get any change from £10k? Visa fees (assuming a TWP rather than PR) - $600, flights - say $3k for 4 of you, shipping - $5k or so if you take the bare minimum (much cheaper to ship existing stuff than to buy new out there), buying a car, say $2k for an old banger, car insurance $2k (yes, really - and that's cheap for Canada!), utility deposits plus rental deposits for the first few months rent etc maybe $5k as a min for a small flat - that all adds up to around $17-18k, and I can't see how you'd save any money on that?

As per the thread above, that's about half the norm, and assuming that you do things as frugally as possible, but I really don't see how it would get any cheaper.

And sorry to be the voice of doom, but it is also worth making sure you budget some money for returning to Ireland just in case the worst happens. I know it sounds really negative, but we've seen so many people on the forum be made redundant whilst on a TWP and have to return home, so it's worth making sure you're got funds to get back just in case.

On the positive side though, you'll have plenty of time to save up whilst you wait for your criminal rehab application, so hopefully that will be fine.

Best of luck to you.

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Even just allowing for the basics, I can't see how you'd get any change from £10k? Visa fees (assuming a TWP rather than PR) - $600, flights - say $3k for 4 of you, shipping - $5k or so if you take the bare minimum (much cheaper to ship existing stuff than to buy new out there), buying a car, say $2k for an old banger, car insurance $2k (yes, really - and that's cheap for Canada!), utility deposits plus rental deposits for the first few months rent etc maybe $5k as a min for a small flat - that all adds up to around $17-18k, and I can't see how you'd save any money on that?

As per the thread above, that's about half the norm, and assuming that you do things as frugally as possible, but I really don't see how it would get any cheaper.

And sorry to be the voice of doom, but it is also worth making sure you budget some money for returning to Ireland just in case the worst happens. I know it sounds really negative, but we've seen so many people on the forum be made redundant whilst on a TWP and have to return home, so it's worth making sure you're got funds to get back just in case.

On the positive side though, you'll have plenty of time to save up whilst you wait for your criminal rehab application, so hopefully that will be fine.

Best of luck to you.

We living on the dole. My hubby does some sneaky jobs so we can still pay some creditors we owe (which is thousands). Saving is not a possibility in our life at the moment and there are no jobs out there at all. I have been looking for over 6 months now and people don't even get back to me.

I'm assuming that if we get sponsored over most of the costs will be paid for. I know we probably going to be in for a rude awakening regarding lots of the things you mentioned but we going to give it a damn good try and if it doesn't work will come crawling back with our tails between our legs and move in with the folks (just don't let them know).

That said, I'm confident we won't fail and will keep ye all updated each step of the way just in case anyone else is looking for a way out of here.
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We living on the dole. My hubby does some sneaky jobs so we can still pay some creditors we owe (which is thousands). Saving is not a possibility in our life at the moment and there are no jobs out there at all. I have been looking for over 6 months now and people don't even get back to me.

I'm assuming that if we get sponsored over most of the costs will be paid for. I know we probably going to be in for a rude awakening regarding lots of the things you mentioned but we going to give it a damn good try and if it doesn't work will come crawling back with our tails between our legs and move in with the folks (just don't let them know).

That said, I'm confident we won't fail and will keep ye all updated each step of the way just in case anyone else is looking for a way out of here.
Sorry to hear that things are so tough.

Being sponsored doesn't mean you'll get relocation paid for though, it does happen but it's rare (at least in Canada, I don't know about Oz). Most people that go over on TWP's have to pay for everything except their visa fees themselves I'm afraid, but it's worth asking for if your husband has specialist skills that are needed.

If he does, then you can usually negotiate more - something that is often found by those on the forum to try and get more than the next to no holiday allowance offered in Canada! Not sure about relocation costs but it's worth a shot.

And maybe in a year or so's time, or however long it takes to get your criminal rehab and then a job offer and LMO, you'll be in a better place financially, I really hope so.

Good luck, keep us posted.
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