Transferring UK pension to US 401K!
#31
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Re: Transferring UK pension to US 401K!
Also, respectfully correcting post by md95065: it IS possible to transfer money from a previous employer's 401k plan to a new one with a new job. You can either take a rollover check (cheque) payable into a new fund, which is not taxed at the time of transfer, or you can take what is termed a withdrawal, in which case it may be taxable.
#32
Re: Transferring UK pension to US 401K!
Try this: A list of 2013 HMRC approved QROPS...
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/pensionschemes/qrops.pdf
I don't know what the procedure is for transferring, but at least it shows there are approved schemes in the USA.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/pensionschemes/qrops.pdf
I don't know what the procedure is for transferring, but at least it shows there are approved schemes in the USA.
Last edited by nun; Jan 15th 2013 at 7:35 pm.
#33
Re: Transferring UK pension to US 401K!
Also, respectfully correcting post by md95065: it IS possible to transfer money from a previous employer's 401k plan to a new one with a new job. You can either take a rollover check (cheque) payable into a new fund, which is not taxed at the time of transfer, or you can take what is termed a withdrawal, in which case it may be taxable.
Last edited by nun; Jan 15th 2013 at 7:48 pm.
#34
Re: Successfully transferring UK pension to US 401K??
Hi,
Does anyone have any positive experience with transferring their pension from the United Kingdom to an America 401K scheme?
I'm in the process of trying to succeed with this!
I am British and my wife is American, we live in Washington State.
When speaking with my UK pension broker they have explained that in order to transfer my plan to the US I have to find a Qualifying Recognized Overseas Pension Scheme or QROPS.
My wife's 401K is with Fidelity Investment and having spoken with them I've been told they are not able to oblige, citing UK/US policy and exchange rates being problematic.
I am positive this CAN be achieved but the method to this madness is something I have not figured out yet. Unlike the US, the UK will not permit policy holders to distribute part or all of their funds (even with high penalties) until retirement age, so its not as if I can even liquidate it and then transfer the funds overseas.
Nor will, from what I can gather, existing US 401K providers allow a husband to incorporate theirs with a wife's current policy.
Can anyone provide some hope here? - internet searches do provide sites with companies allegedly being able to help but they seem less than legally legitimate
Many thanks,
P
Does anyone have any positive experience with transferring their pension from the United Kingdom to an America 401K scheme?
I'm in the process of trying to succeed with this!
I am British and my wife is American, we live in Washington State.
When speaking with my UK pension broker they have explained that in order to transfer my plan to the US I have to find a Qualifying Recognized Overseas Pension Scheme or QROPS.
My wife's 401K is with Fidelity Investment and having spoken with them I've been told they are not able to oblige, citing UK/US policy and exchange rates being problematic.
I am positive this CAN be achieved but the method to this madness is something I have not figured out yet. Unlike the US, the UK will not permit policy holders to distribute part or all of their funds (even with high penalties) until retirement age, so its not as if I can even liquidate it and then transfer the funds overseas.
Nor will, from what I can gather, existing US 401K providers allow a husband to incorporate theirs with a wife's current policy.
Can anyone provide some hope here? - internet searches do provide sites with companies allegedly being able to help but they seem less than legally legitimate
Many thanks,
P
#35
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Re: Transferring UK pension to US 401K!
Don't forget that existing UK pension plans need to be reported every year on the FBAR, the 8938, the 8621, the 8833, the 3520 and the 3520-A depending which apply in a particular case.
#36
Re: Transferring UK pension to US 401K!
That is arguable. Some take the position that all UK pension plans, even SIPPs, are covered under the treaty.
#37
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Re: Transferring UK pension to US 401K!
We need a volunteer to be the first one, it will not be me.
#38
Re: Transferring UK pension to US 401K!
It is important that you know how any UK employer and employee pension contributions and gains are taxed by the IRS. Absent any tax treaty exclusions contributions and gains will be US taxable on a US citizen's 1040 and the alphabet soup of forms mentioned by Cook_County will have to be considered.
#39
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Re: Transferring UK pension to US 401K!
I have not seen a legal opinion from any US lawyer suggesting that the treaty over-rides information return filing. There are no rulings from the IRS or any court suggesting this. Filing on this basis would be a very high risk stategy indeed and could lead to substantial penalties.
#40
Re: Transferring UK pension to US 401K!
I have not seen a legal opinion from any US lawyer suggesting that the treaty over-rides information return filing. There are no rulings from the IRS or any court suggesting this. Filing on this basis would be a very high risk stategy indeed and could lead to substantial penalties.
Last edited by nun; Jan 21st 2013 at 9:58 pm.
#41
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Re: Transferring UK pension to US 401K!
So this does not apply to final salary schemes?
#43
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Re: Transferring UK pension to US 401K!
So how would you deal with a UK State Pension under 8938 for example.
It would appear from a cursory glance that final salary schemes not in payment are excluded.
It would appear from a cursory glance that final salary schemes not in payment are excluded.
#44
Re: Transferring UK pension to US 401K!
8938 is still in flux, but on the first iteration UK state pension is not reportable on 8938. Pensions are reportable on 8938.
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Re: Transferring UK pension to US 401K!
So why is the State Pension not reportable and all? others are?