Those Poor People Affected by Hurricane Katrina
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Re: Those Poor People Affected by Hurricane Katrina
Originally Posted by Englishmum
This is the official news(paper) site for New Orleans.
The accounts of the suffering are heartbreaking:
http://www.nola.com
The accounts of the suffering are heartbreaking:
http://www.nola.com
What good news to read of all the American families who are offering shelter to those in need. well done!
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Re: Those Poor People Affected by Hurricane Katrina
Originally Posted by cindyabs
As my Dad used to say-"Just send the money."
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Re: Those Poor People Affected by Hurricane Katrina
Originally Posted by Pigtails
So, seeing him on the telly "getting his feet wet" is more important to you than the police/security/national guard taking care of the people in need rather than taking time out to protect Bush's butt?
As always with the liberals....symbolism over substance.
As always with the liberals....symbolism over substance.
Why do we always have to put labels on people. For god's sake, there are desperate people in absolutely appalling conditions who are not getting much help, in this the RICHEST and MOST POWERFUL country in the world.... does it frigging matter whether you are liberal, conservative. We're all supposed to be human!
I agree with you that the President does not need to be in New Orleans and with traumatised, hungry, thirsty people running round with guns- they aint going to send him in there even if he wanted to go. BUT What the hell IS he doing? Where is the aid for these people? Its absolutely atrocious- even the third world is better organised.
Looting- well yeah what do you expect- if I was on the streets in wet clothes and shoes with hungry thirsty wet kids -I'd flipping kick a shop window in too to feed and clothe my kids. A clean, dry pair of shoes, or tee shirt is luxury to these people at the moment.
These poor people should all have been evacuated out of New Orleans BEFORE the hurricane- they failed to do that, and now they have thousands of traumatised, desperate people to deal with and the Federal help is not coming- unbelievable, its been 3 days!
I'm beginning to wonder if we have any homeland security left, apart from a basic skeleton force...if so where the hell are they.
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Re: Those Poor People Affected by Hurricane Katrina
Speaking to an insurance adjuster bloke yesterday, said he was being offered shite loads of money to head down to deal with all the car insurance claims but refused because there's no where to stay up there, and no petrol, he said he was in florida last time and they ran out of petrol and had to walk or borrow a bike to get around, and that they were taking up space that people could have used that were homeless....gotta love the insurance companies at times
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Re: Those Poor People Affected by Hurricane Katrina
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
Guiliani got dirty in NYC.
It's all becoming like the "Lord of The Flies".....
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Re: Those Poor People Affected by Hurricane Katrina
Its frightening how delicate sociaty is.
This is the worlds richest and most powerful country - by a long stretch - and parts of it now resemble Sierra Leonne; widepsread lawlessness, police and soldiers being shot at, people without water food and sanitation.
Meanwhile, other parts of the country are running out of gas (many gas stations across SC are now out).
And this isn't as a result of war or terrorism but rather the weather...
This is the worlds richest and most powerful country - by a long stretch - and parts of it now resemble Sierra Leonne; widepsread lawlessness, police and soldiers being shot at, people without water food and sanitation.
Meanwhile, other parts of the country are running out of gas (many gas stations across SC are now out).
And this isn't as a result of war or terrorism but rather the weather...
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Re: Those Poor People Affected by Hurricane Katrina
Originally Posted by Rompers
Its frightening how delicate sociaty is.
This is the worlds richest and most powerful country - by a long stretch - and parts of it now resemble Sierra Leonne; widepsread lawlessness, police and soldiers being shot at, people without water food and sanitation.
Meanwhile, other parts of the country are running out of gas (many gas stations across SC are now out).
And this isn't as a result of war or terrorism but rather the weather...
This is the worlds richest and most powerful country - by a long stretch - and parts of it now resemble Sierra Leonne; widepsread lawlessness, police and soldiers being shot at, people without water food and sanitation.
Meanwhile, other parts of the country are running out of gas (many gas stations across SC are now out).
And this isn't as a result of war or terrorism but rather the weather...
#173
Re: Those Poor People Affected by Hurricane Katrina
http://www.timesleader.com/mld/krwas...n/12528233.htm
" WASHINGTON - The federal government so far has bungled the job of quickly helping the multitudes of hungry, thirsty and desperate victims of Hurricane Katrina, former top federal, state and local disaster chiefs said Wednesday.
The experts, including a former Bush administration disaster response manager, told Knight Ridder that the government wasn't prepared, scrimped on storm spending and shifted its attention from dealing with natural disasters to fighting the global war on terrorism."
"Both the New Orleans Times-Picayune newspaper and a local business magazine reported that the effects of the budget cuts at the Army Corps of Engineers were severe.
In 2004, the Corps essentially stopped major work on the now-breached levee system that had protected New Orleans from flooding. It was the first such stoppage in 37 years, the Times-Picayune reported.
The Army Corps' New Orleans office, facing a $71 million cut, also eliminated funds to pay for a study on how to protect the Crescent City from a Category 5 storm, New Orleans City Business reported in June."
Read it and weep.
" WASHINGTON - The federal government so far has bungled the job of quickly helping the multitudes of hungry, thirsty and desperate victims of Hurricane Katrina, former top federal, state and local disaster chiefs said Wednesday.
The experts, including a former Bush administration disaster response manager, told Knight Ridder that the government wasn't prepared, scrimped on storm spending and shifted its attention from dealing with natural disasters to fighting the global war on terrorism."
"Both the New Orleans Times-Picayune newspaper and a local business magazine reported that the effects of the budget cuts at the Army Corps of Engineers were severe.
In 2004, the Corps essentially stopped major work on the now-breached levee system that had protected New Orleans from flooding. It was the first such stoppage in 37 years, the Times-Picayune reported.
The Army Corps' New Orleans office, facing a $71 million cut, also eliminated funds to pay for a study on how to protect the Crescent City from a Category 5 storm, New Orleans City Business reported in June."
Read it and weep.
Last edited by snowbunny; Sep 1st 2005 at 3:01 pm.
#174
Re: Those Poor People Affected by Hurricane Katrina
Originally Posted by Pigtails
So, seeing him on the telly "getting his feet wet" is more important to you than the police/security/national guard taking care of the people in need rather than taking time out to protect Bush's butt?
As always with the liberals....symbolism over substance.
As always with the liberals....symbolism over substance.
Where did I say that seeing him there was more important than anything? I said his physical presence was an important part of leadership, period, something that Giuliani understood. As I said, he has his own substantial security detail, dedicated to him - they won't need the national guard to protect him there.
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Re: Those Poor People Affected by Hurricane Katrina
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
I dunno - he's the damn "leader" he should be seen to be there getting his feet wet. Leading, in fact. It's not a Party thing - Guiliani got dirty in NYC.
Doesn't have to fly around the place in jets - his security detail isn't going to be sent to do anything else anyway, they're are with him whatever, nor will his helicoper be sent to help either - bet it's parked on the White House lawn.
Doesn't have to fly around the place in jets - his security detail isn't going to be sent to do anything else anyway, they're are with him whatever, nor will his helicoper be sent to help either - bet it's parked on the White House lawn.
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Re: Those Poor People Affected by Hurricane Katrina
Originally Posted by snowbunny
http://www.timesleader.com/mld/krwas...n/12528233.htm
" WASHINGTON - The federal government so far has bungled the job of quickly helping the multitudes of hungry, thirsty and desperate victims of Hurricane Katrina, former top federal, state and local disaster chiefs said Wednesday.
The experts, including a former Bush administration disaster response manager, told Knight Ridder that the government wasn't prepared, scrimped on storm spending and shifted its attention from dealing with natural disasters to fighting the global war on terrorism."
"Both the New Orleans Times-Picayune newspaper and a local business magazine reported that the effects of the budget cuts at the Army Corps of Engineers were severe.
In 2004, the Corps essentially stopped major work on the now-breached levee system that had protected New Orleans from flooding. It was the first such stoppage in 37 years, the Times-Picayune reported.
The Army Corps' New Orleans office, facing a $71 million cut, also eliminated funds to pay for a study on how to protect the Crescent City from a Category 5 storm, New Orleans City Business reported in June."
Read it and weep.
" WASHINGTON - The federal government so far has bungled the job of quickly helping the multitudes of hungry, thirsty and desperate victims of Hurricane Katrina, former top federal, state and local disaster chiefs said Wednesday.
The experts, including a former Bush administration disaster response manager, told Knight Ridder that the government wasn't prepared, scrimped on storm spending and shifted its attention from dealing with natural disasters to fighting the global war on terrorism."
"Both the New Orleans Times-Picayune newspaper and a local business magazine reported that the effects of the budget cuts at the Army Corps of Engineers were severe.
In 2004, the Corps essentially stopped major work on the now-breached levee system that had protected New Orleans from flooding. It was the first such stoppage in 37 years, the Times-Picayune reported.
The Army Corps' New Orleans office, facing a $71 million cut, also eliminated funds to pay for a study on how to protect the Crescent City from a Category 5 storm, New Orleans City Business reported in June."
Read it and weep.
#177
Re: Those Poor People Affected by Hurricane Katrina
Originally Posted by NJ_Dave
Funny how there is 24 hour news coverage of this event, yet nobody suggests that the news networks give up their helicopters for the rescue effort. Or even if they donated one of their generators to a city with no electricity. But no, it always comes back to Bush.
Look -- I'm not blaming this squarely on Bush. No one person is responsible. What I *am* sickened by is his lack of leadership and the cuts to funding for both infrastructure and emergency relief as outlined in the article I quote. The Republicans AND Democrats who voted in favour of these cuts ought to be feeling very very ill today. And maybe they'll get their butts in gear to help.
#178
Re: Those Poor People Affected by Hurricane Katrina
Originally Posted by Hiro11
Laying the blame for the flood solely at the Bush administrations feet seems a little short sighted to me. Clearly the issue had been ignored for decades (centuries?).
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Re: Those Poor People Affected by Hurricane Katrina
Originally Posted by NJ_Dave
Funny how there is 24 hour news coverage of this event, yet nobody suggests that the news networks give up their helicopters for the rescue effort. Or even if they donated one of their generators to a city with no electricity. But no, it always comes back to Bush.
I'd be quite happy for the networks to provide practical help. Don't see what that has to do with the leader of the country providing some actual, well, leadership. Bush can send his helicopter too, if it comes to that.
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Re: Those Poor People Affected by Hurricane Katrina
Originally Posted by NJ_Dave
Funny how there is 24 hour news coverage of this event, yet nobody suggests that the news networks give up their helicopters for the rescue effort. Or even if they donated one of their generators to a city with no electricity. But no, it always comes back to Bush.
1) The news helicopters can carry more passengers alongside their equipment
and
2) That generating electricity in a flooded city is a good idea (the hospitals have their own, they need fuel)