Paris - 13/11/2015
Nov 15th 2015, 6:10 pm
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Re: Paris - 13/11/2015
What is not fascist in the version of Islam preached by ISIS? It's totalitarian, extremist, with no room for anything else.
Nov 15th 2015, 6:18 pm
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Re: Paris - 13/11/2015
The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy.
1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.
2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.
3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens.
The ISIS Caliphate seems to fit this definition perfectly. Yes?
Nov 15th 2015, 6:40 pm
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Re: Paris - 13/11/2015
I read yesterday that because of the bombing taking place in Syria which France is and has been a part of, this is the reason for the Paris attacks. It is said it has been successful and individual nutters are now targeting outside Syria and are recruiting for people in the west and to enter the west because they can no longer return to Syria.
Whether this is true or not I have no idea but it is scary. I cannot see how it is possible to kill all small groups or individual religious extremists that will blow themselves up. In my opinion something needs to happen with the Imans and a huge propaganda war launched. How this would look I have no idea.
Having said all that I also believe that boots on the ground is needed and the world should come together and get this done now.
Whether this is true or not I have no idea but it is scary. I cannot see how it is possible to kill all small groups or individual religious extremists that will blow themselves up. In my opinion something needs to happen with the Imans and a huge propaganda war launched. How this would look I have no idea.
Having said all that I also believe that boots on the ground is needed and the world should come together and get this done now.
Nov 15th 2015, 8:49 pm
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Re: Paris - 13/11/2015
I read yesterday that because of the bombing taking place in Syria which France is and has been a part of, this is the reason for the Paris attacks. It is said it has been successful and individual nutters are now targeting outside Syria and are recruiting for people in the west and to enter the west because they can no longer return to Syria.
Whether this is true or not I have no idea but it is scary. I cannot see how it is possible to kill all small groups or individual religious extremists that will blow themselves up. In my opinion something needs to happen with the Imans and a huge propaganda war launched. How this would look I have no idea. Having said all that I also believe that boots on the ground is needed and the world should come together and get this done now.
Whether this is true or not I have no idea but it is scary. I cannot see how it is possible to kill all small groups or individual religious extremists that will blow themselves up. In my opinion something needs to happen with the Imans and a huge propaganda war launched. How this would look I have no idea.
Having said all that I also believe that boots on the ground is needed and the world should come together and get this done now.NATO’s Turn to Attack | Foreign Policy
Nov 15th 2015, 9:02 pm
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Re: Paris - 13/11/2015
I read yesterday that because of the bombing taking place in Syria which France is and has been a part of, this is the reason for the Paris attacks. It is said it has been successful and individual nutters are now targeting outside Syria and are recruiting for people in the west and to enter the west because they can no longer return to Syria.
Whether this is true or not I have no idea but it is scary. I cannot see how it is possible to kill all small groups or individual religious extremists that will blow themselves up. In my opinion something needs to happen with the Imans and a huge propaganda war launched. How this would look I have no idea. Having said all that I also believe that boots on the ground is needed and the world should come together and get this done now.
Whether this is true or not I have no idea but it is scary. I cannot see how it is possible to kill all small groups or individual religious extremists that will blow themselves up. In my opinion something needs to happen with the Imans and a huge propaganda war launched. How this would look I have no idea.
Having said all that I also believe that boots on the ground is needed and the world should come together and get this done now.France Launches Massive Airstrike on ISIS in Syria - NBC News
Which will no doubt provoke a response...
Nov 15th 2015, 9:28 pm
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Re: Paris - 13/11/2015
I found this definition on line:
The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy.
1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.
2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.
3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens.
The ISIS Caliphate seems to fit this definition perfectly. Yes?
The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy.
1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.
2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.
3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens.
The ISIS Caliphate seems to fit this definition perfectly. Yes?
It kind of gets my goat when people lazily or hazily refer to all ruthless or totalitarian regimes as "fascist." Might as well retire the term, if it covers all governments and systems we don't like...
Nov 15th 2015, 10:24 pm
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Well, I must defer to Benito, an early adopter of Fascism. But Fascism is most definitely a political and economic system of state and is anti clerical or non religious. I'm assuming Islamist hate preachers (which was what Another Limey was referring to?) are sort of millennarian or crazy-religious based - rather than statist or based on an economic system?
It kind of gets my goat when people lazily or hazily refer to all ruthless or totalitarian regimes as "fascist." Might as well retire the term, if it covers all governments and systems we don't like...
It kind of gets my goat when people lazily or hazily refer to all ruthless or totalitarian regimes as "fascist." Might as well retire the term, if it covers all governments and systems we don't like...
Totalitarian, extremist, authoritarian.... Fascist.
But this is just semantics. These people won't stop until they've spread their brand of Islam worldwide or we've wiped them out.
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Nov 16th 2015, 12:01 am
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Re: Paris - 13/11/2015
Well, I must defer to Benito, an early adopter of Fascism. But Fascism is most definitely a political and economic system of state and is anti clerical or non religious. I'm assuming Islamist hate preachers (which was what Another Limey was referring to?) are sort of millennarian or crazy-religious based - rather than statist or based on an economic system?
It kind of gets my goat when people lazily or hazily refer to all ruthless or totalitarian regimes as "fascist." Might as well retire the term, if it covers all governments and systems we don't like...
It kind of gets my goat when people lazily or hazily refer to all ruthless or totalitarian regimes as "fascist." Might as well retire the term, if it covers all governments and systems we don't like...
New Year proclamation, 1 January 1939; from Norman H. Baynes, ed. (1969). The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August 1939. 1. New York: Howard Fertig. p. 406.
Nov 16th 2015, 12:57 am
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Re: Paris - 13/11/2015
https://papundits.files.wordpress.co...or-3.jpg?w=594
I used to live in a Nuclear Free zone, we have to move with the times.
I used to live in a Nuclear Free zone, we have to move with the times.
Curious as Vancouver has those signs when you enter the city, but would be curious to know of others.
Nov 16th 2015, 1:05 am
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The National Socialist Movement has wrought this miracle. If Almighty God granted success to this work, then the Party was His instrument.
New Year proclamation, 1 January 1939; from Norman H. Baynes, ed. (1969). The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August 1939. 1. New York: Howard Fertig. p. 406.
New Year proclamation, 1 January 1939; from Norman H. Baynes, ed. (1969). The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August 1939. 1. New York: Howard Fertig. p. 406.
Nov 16th 2015, 1:08 am
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Re: Paris - 13/11/2015
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Nov 16th 2015, 1:32 am
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Re: Paris - 13/11/2015
I found this definition on line:
The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy.
1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.
2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.
3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens.
The ISIS Caliphate seems to fit this definition perfectly. Yes?
The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy.
1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.
2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.
3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens.
The ISIS Caliphate seems to fit this definition perfectly. Yes?
ISIS doesn't have that. They're a bunch of nihilists that want to turn the clock back. They're more similar to Pol Pot than anyone else.
Nov 16th 2015, 1:39 am
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Re: Paris - 13/11/2015
I see significant Corporatism in Islam.
They seem big in the travel, oil and antiquities business.
They seem big in the travel, oil and antiquities business.