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Old Nov 14th 2015, 8:37 pm
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Originally Posted by robin1234
There are millions of good Muslim citizens in Western democracies. There does seem to be a problem with disgruntled young men who've found a mission more engrossing than the traditional petty vandalism etc., though.
Does that mean profiling is necessary without and within Muslim communities to identify radicals in order to effectively deal with them?

Profiling being the hot button of course.
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Old Nov 14th 2015, 9:52 pm
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There has to be far too many Muslim clerics fueling the Islamic militants. All western countries needs local community Muslim spies in every Mosque in the western world. Clerics identified as problems could wake up in some Muslim country with no passport and a permanent ban on returning to any western country.
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Old Nov 14th 2015, 11:27 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas
Well, it's not all that complicated either. "The west" with it's aversion to engaging in anything resembling "war" as of late, has been pretty passive against this enemy. Obama promised "no boots on the ground", Europeans would never dream of such a thing. The UK, well, we all know the sentiments there. .....
American hasn't won a war since WWII, unless you perhaps count the pushing of Saddam out of Kuwait, but there the loser survived to fight again another day. Britain has the Falklands War to thank for having a post-WWII on its score card, but in any case I suspect that neither Britain nor America know how to win a war these days, meaning destroy the enemy so totally that they can't fight back.

There is no appetite these days for Bomber Harris-style wholesale demolition of a country, but that is probably what it would take and the no-boots on the ground approach in Syria is an utter joke. What is going on there seems to be like sticking needles in a tiger - all we have done so far is make it angry, and this is going to go on for years unless somebody goes in and clears up the mess.

BTW I hope the President is still feeling good about his rush for the exit from Iraq in 2009.
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I thought the Falklands was officially a "conflict", not a war?
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Originally Posted by Guindalf
I thought the Falklands was officially a "conflict", not a war?
Yeah, that sounds right. IIRC there was some bizarre insurance reason as to why it wasn't a declared war, even though, objectively speaking it was.
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Allah will prevail.
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Doesn't look like the Paris attacks have changed our PM's mind about withdrawing aircraft Canada currently has bombing ISIS.
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Old Nov 15th 2015, 5:31 am
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
American hasn't won a war since WWII, unless you perhaps count the pushing of Saddam out of Kuwait, but there the loser survived to fight again another day. Britain has the Falklands War to thank for having a post-WWII on its score card, but in any case I suspect that neither Britain nor America know how to win a war these days, meaning destroy the enemy so totally that they can't fight back.

There is no appetite these days for Bomber Harris-style wholesale demolition of a country, but that is probably what it would take and the no-boots on the ground approach in Syria is an utter joke. What is going on there seems to be like sticking needles in a tiger - all we have done so far is make it angry, and this is going to go on for years unless somebody goes in and clears up the mess.

BTW I hope the President is still feeling good about his rush for the exit from Iraq in 2009.
Perhaps our friend Vlad will ultimately go in and "clear up the mess". He doesn't have quite the same political risks we do.

In the unlikely event that he could achieve success, all blame can deflected at him, whilst establishing himself and his country as the consummate heroes.
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I used to live in a Nuclear Free zone, we have to move with the times.
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We'll be paying for a war Europe should be taking the lead on.

We need to remove this fascist type of preaching from the Muslim world too. The type still sponsored by some of our "allies" in the region.
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey
We'll be paying for a war Europe should be taking the lead on. .....
Merkel is taking the lead, unfortunately that is part of the problem.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
Merkel is taking the lead, unfortunately that is part of the problem.
I have a feeling the FrauFurer is heading for the door.
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Old Nov 15th 2015, 2:18 pm
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I have a feeling the FrauFurer is heading for the door.
She won't make it out because there are too many people trying to come in.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
She won't make it out because there are too many people trying to come in.


Perhaps they could find a tent for her, seems at least one less Syrian.
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Old Nov 15th 2015, 5:17 pm
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey
We'll be paying for a war Europe should be taking the lead on.

We need to remove this fascist type of preaching from the Muslim world too. The type still sponsored by some of our "allies" in the region.
Who is "we" in your statement? U.S.? Also, I take issue with "fascist" as a characterization. What's fascist about Islamist extremist hate preaching?
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