Hotscot

That's a lot of don't know's that you don't know...

We're aware of that.

BritInParis

It'll take 30 years at the current rate to deport all those present illegally in the US and that's assuming no-one else arrives in the meantime. The details can be picked over but the principle of doing something different rather than maintaining the status quo is painfully obvious.

Pete H

Because nobody gives a crap.

Hotscot

Which is unfortunate in some cases.

Illegal Alien Murderer Had Murdered Before

pjplayer

Up until 12noon this thead was promising to be useful and positive, what the hell happened after that?

Anyway, as a H1-B in the early stages of a Green Card application, it would be amazing if my wife (on H4) could work if we get to the I-140 approval stage. I'm hoping the Executive order includes this proposed rule change, which would seem to make sense, though it isn't clear yet.

johnnybrown532

How about this for an immigration bill.

Deportation of all illegals currently in United States
Life ban from returning to United States for all deported persons.
Increased border security.
Increases in H1B quotas, reduction of levels required for e2 visa investment, provision for green card from e2 visa after ten years. Quick paths to greencard for outstanding maths and science students.
Guest worker program with provision to apply for green card after 10 years, issuance and renewals subject to labour certification.
Alteration of law to prevent illegal immigrant from ever obtaining a green card expect via marriage ergo knocking the anchor baby issue into touch.
Petitioner for sponsorship of parents for greencard must have lived in USA for first 2 years of life or be naturalised citizen. Again knocking anchor baby issue into touch.
Increase of DV lotto visa to 1000 visas for each qualifying country
Increased internal immigration enforcement and tamper proof id cards.

Obama would never sign it though would he? And if the first line read amnesty for illegal immigrants in United States it would never get through congress. So nothing will ever change the deadlock is unbreakable isn't it?

Beaverstate

Johnny it all can come down to one action a real national ID card. No ID no job. With the soc. sec. # we are 99% there, can't understand the aversion to it.

BritInParis

And thus the problem goes on unresolved. It's gotten to the point now when if you did pass such a law it would never work in practice. Presuming you could find them all, how do you deport 11 million people? That's more than the population of Greece, most of which have been in the US for more than ten years. And what's to stop from all drifting back over the border again afterwards?

Suddenly removing that many people is also going to have a serious knock-on effect on the economy of certain states, particularly California. An estimated 1 in 10 LA County residents is an illegal immigrant. That's a lot of cheap labour that will be lost.

And what about the fate of their US-born children? America will essentially be deporting its own citizens if their parents are forced to leave.

In a way the debate about immigration is missing the point, whether it's the US, Europe or Australia. We're arguing about how to deal with the symptoms of mass migration rather than the cause. The economic pull factors are obvious but it's the push factors - the fear of violence and persecution - that makes people risk everything to make that journey. If we did more to tackle those issues then the immigration problem would solve itself.

ian-mstm

Simple: johnnybrown532 joined the conversation.

Ian

ian-mstm

The Nazis tried something similar from 1939-1945... it didn't work out too well for them. Further, it did not achieve the intended goal. My guess - the US is hesitant to repeat history.

Ian

Bob

Plus Palin thinks all the illegals should be put on cruise ships and shipped across the ocean to Mexico City...

There's no hope with that kind of intelligence.

FlyingDutchman6666

Perhaps not such a good example. Had the Nazi's not waged war, they would have gotten away with it.

There are a few examples closer to what johnny is proposing. Such as the forced expulsion of all Germans from Eastern Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary, as agreed by the Allies in the Potsdam agreement. This included areas that had been part of 'core Germany' for centuries. Koningsberg for example, Immanuel Kant's home town, became Kaliningrad, re-populated with Russians.

The policy was of course highly successful. Russia gained a valuable buffer against the West, and a previously ethnically unstable part of Europe was de-balkanized in one go. History has been mostly silent about the fate of the displaced Germans.

Closer to home, Saudi Arabia recently forcibly expelled the vast majority of its undocumented workforce. link

I agree with you Ian, a free and open democracy such as the US should not revert to such policies.

ian-mstm

Godwin's law rules!

Ian

amideislas

The amusing presumption being... that "mexico city" is "across the ocean" or even on one (?)

'em mexicos is "forin" ain't they?

sir_eccles

In defense of Palin (oy) I believe the quote is from one of those satire sites.

Steering back on topic I don't think the text of the EO has been posted to the federal register yet. Until we actually see the details and how the respective agencies act on them who knows what is going to happen.