Moving from UK to Palo Alto area - Schools Help?
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Moving from UK to Palo Alto area - Schools Help?
Hi,
We'll very likely be moving to Palo Alto area in a few months time.
We're being flown over to look at houses/schools and sign contracts etc but my OH has tasked me with looking into schools in the area for our two oldest boys - ages 9 & 10 (currently in years 5 & 6 in UK primary school).
I have no idea where to start. Is it middle schools I'm looking at? We haven't even pinpointed an exact area yet.
Any advice from people who have been there, done that, very much appreciated!!
Lisa x
We'll very likely be moving to Palo Alto area in a few months time.
We're being flown over to look at houses/schools and sign contracts etc but my OH has tasked me with looking into schools in the area for our two oldest boys - ages 9 & 10 (currently in years 5 & 6 in UK primary school).
I have no idea where to start. Is it middle schools I'm looking at? We haven't even pinpointed an exact area yet.
Any advice from people who have been there, done that, very much appreciated!!
Lisa x
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Re: Moving from UK to Palo Alto area - Schools Help?
Unless you are going to send them to private schools, your postcode will dictate which school they go to so it's best to decide on the school and then look for a home in the school district.
The good news is that Palo Alto has some of the best public schools (what we would call 'state schools' in the UK) in the region (and, if I am not mistaken, in the entire country).
The bad news is that you are going to pay a hefty price for housing *anywhere* in Palo Alto. Budget *at least* 5k a month for a three bedroom family house in Palo Alto.
Steer clear of East Palo Alto.
The good news is that Palo Alto has some of the best public schools (what we would call 'state schools' in the UK) in the region (and, if I am not mistaken, in the entire country).
The bad news is that you are going to pay a hefty price for housing *anywhere* in Palo Alto. Budget *at least* 5k a month for a three bedroom family house in Palo Alto.
Steer clear of East Palo Alto.
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Hi,
We'll very likely be moving to Palo Alto area in a few months time.
We're being flown over to look at houses/schools and sign contracts etc but my OH has tasked me with looking into schools in the area for our two oldest boys - ages 9 & 10 (currently in years 5 & 6 in UK primary school).
I have no idea where to start. Is it middle schools I'm looking at? We haven't even pinpointed an exact area yet.
Any advice from people who have been there, done that, very much appreciated!!
Lisa x
We'll very likely be moving to Palo Alto area in a few months time.
We're being flown over to look at houses/schools and sign contracts etc but my OH has tasked me with looking into schools in the area for our two oldest boys - ages 9 & 10 (currently in years 5 & 6 in UK primary school).
I have no idea where to start. Is it middle schools I'm looking at? We haven't even pinpointed an exact area yet.
Any advice from people who have been there, done that, very much appreciated!!
Lisa x
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Here for example a cheap 4 bed house and schools above average: https://www.trulia.com/rental/402954...-Alto-CA-94306
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Thank you.
That's what I'm trying to do, look at the 'best' schools in Palo Alto and then pick a neighborhood based on that. But I'm a bit confused about the school process. Most seem to be elementary schools which finish at year 5 which is my son's current school year. Then it's on to middle school, then high school, is that right?
So essentially we need to move to an area that has all three at a decent level? I'm aware that the standard in Palo Alto is very high so I'm not too worried, just a bit flummoxed on where to start.
We're aware of the rental values, crazy expensive! But we've budgeted enough to be ok, but not with private school fees on top so very much fixed on state/public.
I've basically got a list of 7 elementary schools now and I'm trying to move on to Middle. Is it that there are less and less options as they get higher up so not to worry because most will end up at the same high school? (I really only found Palo Alto and Henry M Gunn.
Thank you!!!
That's what I'm trying to do, look at the 'best' schools in Palo Alto and then pick a neighborhood based on that. But I'm a bit confused about the school process. Most seem to be elementary schools which finish at year 5 which is my son's current school year. Then it's on to middle school, then high school, is that right?
So essentially we need to move to an area that has all three at a decent level? I'm aware that the standard in Palo Alto is very high so I'm not too worried, just a bit flummoxed on where to start.
We're aware of the rental values, crazy expensive! But we've budgeted enough to be ok, but not with private school fees on top so very much fixed on state/public.
I've basically got a list of 7 elementary schools now and I'm trying to move on to Middle. Is it that there are less and less options as they get higher up so not to worry because most will end up at the same high school? (I really only found Palo Alto and Henry M Gunn.
Thank you!!!
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Thank you.
That's what I'm trying to do, look at the 'best' schools in Palo Alto and then pick a neighborhood based on that. But I'm a bit confused about the school process. Most seem to be elementary schools which finish at year 5 which is my son's current school year. Then it's on to middle school, then high school, is that right?
So essentially we need to move to an area that has all three at a decent level? I'm aware that the standard in Palo Alto is very high so I'm not too worried, just a bit flummoxed on where to start.
We're aware of the rental values, crazy expensive! But we've budgeted enough to be ok, but not with private school fees on top so very much fixed on state/public.
I've basically got a list of 7 elementary schools now and I'm trying to move on to Middle. Is it that there are less and less options as they get higher up so not to worry because most will end up at the same high school? (I really only found Palo Alto and Henry M Gunn.
Thank you!!!
That's what I'm trying to do, look at the 'best' schools in Palo Alto and then pick a neighborhood based on that. But I'm a bit confused about the school process. Most seem to be elementary schools which finish at year 5 which is my son's current school year. Then it's on to middle school, then high school, is that right?
So essentially we need to move to an area that has all three at a decent level? I'm aware that the standard in Palo Alto is very high so I'm not too worried, just a bit flummoxed on where to start.
We're aware of the rental values, crazy expensive! But we've budgeted enough to be ok, but not with private school fees on top so very much fixed on state/public.
I've basically got a list of 7 elementary schools now and I'm trying to move on to Middle. Is it that there are less and less options as they get higher up so not to worry because most will end up at the same high school? (I really only found Palo Alto and Henry M Gunn.
Thank you!!!
1.) Avoid living in or near East Paolo Alto, or too close to El Camino Real
2.) As far as Palo Alto school system and its being a good school system this is true just in comparison to some nearby other areas, the education is hardly at a very high level- the public schools teach to the state curriculum, and standards in California are not that high in the first place as they have been declining for years. ( Personally we chose private schools in the area rather than spending too much money on rent).
3.) The first 6 years are elementary school usually, and 7th and 8th are middle school, usually. I don't recall in Palo Alto whether the middle school starts earlier at 6th grade.
4.) Rents are insane for what you get. Location will generally determine which school children will attend.
Good luck !
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Thank you.
That's what I'm trying to do, look at the 'best' schools in Palo Alto and then pick a neighborhood based on that. But I'm a bit confused about the school process. Most seem to be elementary schools which finish at year 5 which is my son's current school year. Then it's on to middle school, then high school, is that right?
So essentially we need to move to an area that has all three at a decent level? I'm aware that the standard in Palo Alto is very high so I'm not too worried, just a bit flummoxed on where to start.
We're aware of the rental values, crazy expensive! But we've budgeted enough to be ok, but not with private school fees on top so very much fixed on state/public.
I've basically got a list of 7 elementary schools now and I'm trying to move on to Middle. Is it that there are less and less options as they get higher up so not to worry because most will end up at the same high school? (I really only found Palo Alto and Henry M Gunn.
Thank you!!!
That's what I'm trying to do, look at the 'best' schools in Palo Alto and then pick a neighborhood based on that. But I'm a bit confused about the school process. Most seem to be elementary schools which finish at year 5 which is my son's current school year. Then it's on to middle school, then high school, is that right?
So essentially we need to move to an area that has all three at a decent level? I'm aware that the standard in Palo Alto is very high so I'm not too worried, just a bit flummoxed on where to start.
We're aware of the rental values, crazy expensive! But we've budgeted enough to be ok, but not with private school fees on top so very much fixed on state/public.
I've basically got a list of 7 elementary schools now and I'm trying to move on to Middle. Is it that there are less and less options as they get higher up so not to worry because most will end up at the same high school? (I really only found Palo Alto and Henry M Gunn.
Thank you!!!
Elementary in most areas goes to 5th grade, Los Altos school district is the only exception I know of, and that goes to 6th grade). 3 years of middle school (2 in Los Altos), then 4 years of high school. Schools start 1 year later than in the UK, so if your son is in 5th grade in the UK, age wise, he's likely to enter 5th grade in the US.
Moving into the school district means they have to give you a place at a school within the district. It won't necessarily be your catchment area school, closest school or first choice.
Yes there are fewer schools as you go up the years, they funnel into each other to make bigger schools.
PAHS and Gunn are both excellent schools academically, but beware of how hard these kids are pushed. Lots of these kids feel a ridiculous amount of pressure to have a GPA of 4.0+, take all AP classes, do school sports, volunteer... It can all become a bit much.
Take the Great Schools scores with a pinch of salt, my daughter attended a 10 school, and we all disliked it.
Charter Schools are another option to look into. They are free schools, but run differently to the normal state schools. Personally, knowing what I know now, and if we could have done things differently, I'd have pushed to get my kid into Bullis in Los Altos for elementary.
As a bit of history, while living in the states my daughter attended 2 different private schools and 1 public school for elementary. 1 public school for middle, and 1 charter school for high school. The charter environment works much better for her.
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@morpeth what makes you say the education isn't so good? From everything I've heard the schools in PA measure up to private schools in the UK, with most pushing for a 4.0 average (which I understand may be the wrong environment stress-wise for a lot of kids).
I think we've settled on an area between Terman Middle School and Henry M Gunn High school, and keep our fingers crossed.
Hubby might be working out of San Francisco quite a bit so if it all goes wrong we can consider moving to a cheaper area and going private.
I really appreciate all your advice! I'm sure I'll have tons of questions as we go along x
I think we've settled on an area between Terman Middle School and Henry M Gunn High school, and keep our fingers crossed.
Hubby might be working out of San Francisco quite a bit so if it all goes wrong we can consider moving to a cheaper area and going private.
I really appreciate all your advice! I'm sure I'll have tons of questions as we go along x
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@morpeth what makes you say the education isn't so good? From everything I've heard the schools in PA measure up to private schools in the UK, with most pushing for a 4.0 average (which I understand may be the wrong environment stress-wise for a lot of kids).
I think we've settled on an area between Terman Middle School and Henry M Gunn High school, and keep our fingers crossed.
Hubby might be working out of San Francisco quite a bit so if it all goes wrong we can consider moving to a cheaper area and going private.
I really appreciate all your advice! I'm sure I'll have tons of questions as we go along x
I think we've settled on an area between Terman Middle School and Henry M Gunn High school, and keep our fingers crossed.
Hubby might be working out of San Francisco quite a bit so if it all goes wrong we can consider moving to a cheaper area and going private.
I really appreciate all your advice! I'm sure I'll have tons of questions as we go along x
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Thank you, definitely something to think about 👍
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Keep in mind that Americans don't view private schools the same way Europeans do. They aren't seen as status symbols or markers of social class, and due to things like IB, AP, and extracurricular options (which tend to be run through schools in the US rather than private clubs), American families don't send their kids to private schools the way families in other countries do except in really particular circumstances - ie, they want their child to have a religious education, or their child is world-class at music and needs to be in a specialist school for that, etc.
Generally speaking school quality closely tracks neighbourhood socio-economic status. In most parts of Palo Alto I would expect the schools to very good.
Your best bet is to talk to locals in the prospective neighbourhoods. They will know the goss far more than anyone in this forum or some for-profit publication.
Generally speaking school quality closely tracks neighbourhood socio-economic status. In most parts of Palo Alto I would expect the schools to very good.
Your best bet is to talk to locals in the prospective neighbourhoods. They will know the goss far more than anyone in this forum or some for-profit publication.
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Keep in mind that Americans don't view private schools the same way Europeans do. They aren't seen as status symbols or markers of social class, and due to things like IB, AP, and extracurricular options (which tend to be run through schools in the US rather than private clubs), American families don't send their kids to private schools the way families in other countries do except in really particular circumstances - ie, they want their child to have a religious education, or their child is world-class at music and needs to be in a specialist school for that, etc.
Generally speaking school quality closely tracks neighbourhood socio-economic status. In most parts of Palo Alto I would expect the schools to very good.
Your best bet is to talk to locals in the prospective neighbourhoods. They will know the goss far more than anyone in this forum or some for-profit publication.
Generally speaking school quality closely tracks neighbourhood socio-economic status. In most parts of Palo Alto I would expect the schools to very good.
Your best bet is to talk to locals in the prospective neighbourhoods. They will know the goss far more than anyone in this forum or some for-profit publication.
than one child attending.
If one doesn't mind the Evangelical emphasis there are several Christian schools in nearby Los Altos , usually very affordable.
A bit of a driving distance, but I have heard often Woodside Priory School ( Portola Valley) one of the best schools in the area academically, but I haven't had direct experience with that school. There is also an international school in Woodside if I recall called Woodside International school.
If the child goes to high school my advice is wherever possible have them take AP classes instead of regular classes, and if they are planning to study at a higher level, take also what are called CLEP examinations, and any dual-credit ( high school and college credit same time). AP stands for advanced placement and colleges can give credit for these classes- and usually many brighter students take AP classes.It is quite possible a bright and diligent student to gain that way 1 year college credit, and a bit more, thus saving money and saving time spent in university.
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Keep in mind that Americans don't view private schools the same way Europeans do. They aren't seen as status symbols or markers of social class, and due to things like IB, AP, and extracurricular options (which tend to be run through schools in the US rather than private clubs), American families don't send their kids to private schools the way families in other countries do except in really particular circumstances
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Wow thanks guys!
It seems very different from the UK then. Here, there is the social class aspect which definitely plays a part in the decision to privately educate but generally it is because the quality of the education, extra curricular activities, facilities etc are far far superior to the state (non private) schools. There is such a lack of government funding for education here in the UK that it's pretty much a no-brainer that if you can afford it, you would send your child to a private school.
It seems very different from the UK then. Here, there is the social class aspect which definitely plays a part in the decision to privately educate but generally it is because the quality of the education, extra curricular activities, facilities etc are far far superior to the state (non private) schools. There is such a lack of government funding for education here in the UK that it's pretty much a no-brainer that if you can afford it, you would send your child to a private school.
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Generally speaking, remove 1 from their UK school year to find their US grade. However, it's also dependent on when their birthdays are - the law in California regarding age for starting Kindergarten began changing incrementally in 2012.
Kids born between Dec 3rd 2005 and Dec 2nd 2006 started K in 2011 and are now in 6th grade
Kids born between Dec 3rd 2006 and Nov 1st 2007 started K in 2012 and are now in 5th grade
Kids born between Nov 2nd 2007 and Oct 1st 2008 started K in 2013 and are now in 4th grade
Kids born between Oct 2nd 2008 and Sept 1st 2009 started K in 2014 and are now in 3rd grade
So the cut off date for starting K is now turning 5 by September 1st of that year, but your boys *may* be affected by the changes that have taken place recently.
It's also worthwhile noting that if their birthdays are close to the cut off dates (on the younger side - i.e. they had only just turned 5 by the given date for starting K), the US system gives you an awful lot of leeway to decide to hold them back and not start school until the following year, so you likely could decide to put them into a grade below that which they're actually slotted for. They're highly unlikely to need it since they've been in full time education for a year longer than their US peers anyway, of course!
Kids born between Dec 3rd 2005 and Dec 2nd 2006 started K in 2011 and are now in 6th grade
Kids born between Dec 3rd 2006 and Nov 1st 2007 started K in 2012 and are now in 5th grade
Kids born between Nov 2nd 2007 and Oct 1st 2008 started K in 2013 and are now in 4th grade
Kids born between Oct 2nd 2008 and Sept 1st 2009 started K in 2014 and are now in 3rd grade
So the cut off date for starting K is now turning 5 by September 1st of that year, but your boys *may* be affected by the changes that have taken place recently.
It's also worthwhile noting that if their birthdays are close to the cut off dates (on the younger side - i.e. they had only just turned 5 by the given date for starting K), the US system gives you an awful lot of leeway to decide to hold them back and not start school until the following year, so you likely could decide to put them into a grade below that which they're actually slotted for. They're highly unlikely to need it since they've been in full time education for a year longer than their US peers anyway, of course!
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Wow thanks guys!
It seems very different from the UK then. Here, there is the social class aspect which definitely plays a part in the decision to privately educate but generally it is because the quality of the education, extra curricular activities, facilities etc are far far superior to the state (non private) schools. There is such a lack of government funding for education here in the UK that it's pretty much a no-brainer that if you can afford it, you would send your child to a private school.
It seems very different from the UK then. Here, there is the social class aspect which definitely plays a part in the decision to privately educate but generally it is because the quality of the education, extra curricular activities, facilities etc are far far superior to the state (non private) schools. There is such a lack of government funding for education here in the UK that it's pretty much a no-brainer that if you can afford it, you would send your child to a private school.
Government funding here essentially pays for the buildings (and associated costs) and salaries. There are no free clubs, sports, or other after-school activities at elementary level: you'll pay for everything. You'll also be expected to provide basic classroom supplies at the beginning of the year (and throughout, if they run out) - paper, pencils, crayons, markers, glue sticks, tissues, cleaning supplies, soap, hand sanitiser, printer ink, science project supplies and so on.
Funding for larger items usually comes from the PTA (expect multiple fundraisers - jog-a-thons, auctions, catalog sales and other school fundraising events), or from a local education foundation (multiple other fundraisers - crab feeds, "fun" runs), or from donors choose projects set up by the individual teachers (in many cases, it's the only way the teachers can get new chairs and tables, let alone IT equipment). You'll also likely be asked for a direct donation at the beginning of every year: our school's suggested donation is $100.
When educational funding is tied so directly to community fundraising, areas where parents have more spare cash have schools which are correspondingly better funded. Hence, the more expensive areas have the better schools.