The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Mar 22nd 2010, 9:36 pm
#76
Peace onion
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Do you know just how bankrupt we are?
BTW, this won't be repealed, despite what the GOP and the Tea Party say.
Once you start giving people shit, like in the UK, you cultivate and swell the sizable group who are conditioned not to contribute anything, but just rely on benefits. Hand-outs. They are impoverished both fiscally and mentally. Which is exactly what the government wants.
Docile, dependent sheep.
Today, it was reported that the public sector makes up over half of the UK economy. How is that good or sustainable? It isn't. And won't last.
BTW, this won't be repealed, despite what the GOP and the Tea Party say.
Once you start giving people shit, like in the UK, you cultivate and swell the sizable group who are conditioned not to contribute anything, but just rely on benefits. Hand-outs. They are impoverished both fiscally and mentally. Which is exactly what the government wants.
Docile, dependent sheep.
Today, it was reported that the public sector makes up over half of the UK economy. How is that good or sustainable? It isn't. And won't last.
Mar 22nd 2010, 9:44 pm
#78
Peace onion
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Damn, Harry Carpenter died. "He hit me, Harry".
Mar 22nd 2010, 10:30 pm
#80
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Looks like Republicans everywhere are getting on the bandwagon, even up your way!
Seattle Times: McKenna says he'll sue to block health-care law
LOL
Seattle Times: McKenna says he'll sue to block health-care law
LOL
Mar 22nd 2010, 10:57 pm
#82
Peace onion
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Mar 22nd 2010, 11:00 pm
#83
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Mar 22nd 2010, 11:29 pm
#84
Septicity
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Do you know just how bankrupt we are?
BTW, this won't be repealed, despite what the GOP and the Tea Party say.
Once you start giving people shit, like in the UK, you cultivate and swell the sizable group who are conditioned not to contribute anything, but just rely on benefits. Hand-outs. They are impoverished both fiscally and mentally. Which is exactly what the government wants.
Docile, dependent sheep.
Today, it was reported that the public sector makes up over half of the UK economy. How is that good or sustainable? It isn't. And won't last.
BTW, this won't be repealed, despite what the GOP and the Tea Party say.
Once you start giving people shit, like in the UK, you cultivate and swell the sizable group who are conditioned not to contribute anything, but just rely on benefits. Hand-outs. They are impoverished both fiscally and mentally. Which is exactly what the government wants.
Docile, dependent sheep.
Today, it was reported that the public sector makes up over half of the UK economy. How is that good or sustainable? It isn't. And won't last.
US spends around 16% of GNP on health care. I laugh when Rush accuses the Liberals of wanting to take control 1/6th of the economy -- he does, of course, never question why it comprises such a high figure.
UK spending on health care is around 9% of GNP.
If you want to look at sheeple, I couldn't think of a better example than tea party aficionados. Where exactly were these people while Bush was spending like there was no tomorrow?
Mar 22nd 2010, 11:32 pm
#85
Democracy advocate
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,460
Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Do you know just how bankrupt we are?
BTW, this won't be repealed, despite what the GOP and the Tea Party say.
Once you start giving people shit, like in the UK, you cultivate and swell the sizable group who are conditioned not to contribute anything, but just rely on benefits. Hand-outs. They are impoverished both fiscally and mentally. Which is exactly what the government wants.
Docile, dependent sheep.
Today, it was reported that the public sector makes up over half of the UK economy. How is that good or sustainable? It isn't. And won't last.
BTW, this won't be repealed, despite what the GOP and the Tea Party say.
Once you start giving people shit, like in the UK, you cultivate and swell the sizable group who are conditioned not to contribute anything, but just rely on benefits. Hand-outs. They are impoverished both fiscally and mentally. Which is exactly what the government wants.
Docile, dependent sheep.
Today, it was reported that the public sector makes up over half of the UK economy. How is that good or sustainable? It isn't. And won't last.
http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=508
http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/health.cfm
Mar 22nd 2010, 11:32 pm
#86
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
How patronising. Millions of Americans who have lived here their whole lives support the healthcare bill. Do they not understand the history and mindset?
Mar 22nd 2010, 11:45 pm
#87
Busy at Work
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
No primary care doctor, orthopedic specialist and physical therapist. I didn't want any particular treatment, just a reasonable standard of care to diagnose what the problem was and fix it. It most certainly hasn't been diagnosed, it has been guessed at. Treatment undertaken which hasn't worked and interest lost when they realized they could no longer make money from me. My last visit to the primary care doctor had him say when I told him the cortisone shot had made a difference. "I didn't think that would work, hope you keep improving" and he rush out the room. Well it had work a little but by no means been a cure, I was hoping he might follow up on the MRI he suggested if it didn't work but no. If my initial post seem harsh it was typed while I sat at my computer crying in pain just hoping it would go away so I could go back to bed.
I've never had such disgusting non caring treatment from any medical service where I have been treated before. Here it is clearly profit driven and the patient an ancillary inconvenience. I am beginning to think a dog would get better looked after at the local vet.
I've never had such disgusting non caring treatment from any medical service where I have been treated before. Here it is clearly profit driven and the patient an ancillary inconvenience. I am beginning to think a dog would get better looked after at the local vet.
Unfortunately with all the medical advances, it remained hard to diagnose some conditions...and sometimes physicians have to go back to "try and see what happen". However, it's also possible that the proper tests/procedures weren't ordered or important physical exam findings were ignored...hard to know what happened. Also, sometimes when physicians are busy, they forgot what they promised. If he/she mentioned an MRI before and didn't order it later, kindly ask him/her about it.
Another thing I could think of is a referral to a Pain specialist, they're more accustomed to the different options available, and may have more ideas about alternative medicine for pain control.
Mar 22nd 2010, 11:53 pm
#88
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
This seems like a fairly even-handed, brief, rundown of the new bill's provisions.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...46-503544.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...46-503544.html
Mar 22nd 2010, 11:59 pm
#89
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Actually, as long as all the different sets of data are collected on the same basis...cost per population....life expectancy.
Of course there will be all sorts of other, underlying factors involved, but that doesn't change the quite unbalanced picture.
One of the problems with these statistics is trying to over-analyze them!
Of course there will be all sorts of other, underlying factors involved, but that doesn't change the quite unbalanced picture.
One of the problems with these statistics is trying to over-analyze them!
So when you look at a research paper, a good one will always give you a table of the subcategories for the data (i.e. breakdown by gender, age, socialeconomic status, etc.). I suspect that that will give you a very different picture/conclusion. For example, in Country A, 80% of Males and 20% of Females have a disease. Assuming a 50-50 gender split, on Average 50% of the population has the disease. In Country B, 50% of Males and 50% of females have that same disease. Again, on average 50% of the population has the disease. In both countries, 50% of the population has the disease, but without the subgroup info, the conclusion will be biased!
Of course, this is just ONE of the reason why U.S. health care spending is high yet life expectancy is low. Some other factors have been mentioned here.
Last edited by lifehouse51; Mar 23rd 2010 at 12:06 am.
Mar 23rd 2010, 12:23 am
#90
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
I thought the proposals were meant to reduce the deficit?
http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=508
http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/health.cfm
http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=508
http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/health.cfm
"An estimate of the budgetary effects of the reconciliation proposal, in combination with the effects of H.R. 3590, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), as passed by the Senate. The combination of those two pieces of legislation would reduce federal deficits by an estimated $138 billion over the 2010-2019 period.
An estimate of the incremental effects of the reconciliation proposal, over and above the effects of enacting H.R. 3590 by itself. CBO and JCT estimate that enacting the reconciliation proposal would add about $20 billion to the deficit reductions over the 2010-2019 period, on top of the $118 billion in net savings attributable to the Senate-passed H.R. 3590."