The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Mar 23rd 2010, 11:21 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
It could also have been better if its authors had written a better bill. But my money is on it could have been better if the whole damn thing hadn't been stage managed from day one, with politicians of both parties having been bought off by vested interests, none of which were the public interest.
Mar 23rd 2010, 11:23 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Mar 23rd 2010, 11:23 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
American medicine has certainly been a really competitive price up to now. People (especially Canadians who have made it out before their own doctors kill them) flock here to use our value-for-money services.
Mar 23rd 2010, 11:36 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
It's not that I'm anti-government, more that I'd like to see some, in place of the festering cess pool of self interest that passes for it.
Mar 23rd 2010, 11:38 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Just for the record, from what I have read, I think the French system sounds great. It's a mixture of private and government elements. I would be happy to explore and adopt that. And France! A socialist country.
This bill will drive costs through the roof. I don't understand how you don't see that. The numbers bandied about the other from the CBO hid 500 billion.
Secondly, this is about ultimately driving private insurance out of business. Choice will be restricted. Government grows. Encroaches into our lives.
I'm a small businessman. One of my employee's has a a 25 year old slacker hipster kid? So I have to pay to support him? Sod that.
The middle class is going to get shafted over this. Just wait and see your costs go through the roof.
I'm surprised I haven't seen more people saying cut the Pentagon's budget.
Healthcare is a drop in the ocean compared to their outlay.
This bill will drive costs through the roof. I don't understand how you don't see that. The numbers bandied about the other from the CBO hid 500 billion.
Secondly, this is about ultimately driving private insurance out of business. Choice will be restricted. Government grows. Encroaches into our lives.
I'm a small businessman. One of my employee's has a a 25 year old slacker hipster kid? So I have to pay to support him? Sod that.
The middle class is going to get shafted over this. Just wait and see your costs go through the roof.
I'm surprised I haven't seen more people saying cut the Pentagon's budget.
Healthcare is a drop in the ocean compared to their outlay.
Mar 23rd 2010, 11:40 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
You're missing (or ignoring ) my point. I honestly doubt that there's any spirit, cooperative or otherwise, among any of the bastards to do what might be right for the people.
It's not that I'm anti-government, more that I'd like to see some, in place of the festering cess pool of self interest that passes for it.
It's not that I'm anti-government, more that I'd like to see some, in place of the festering cess pool of self interest that passes for it.
Mar 23rd 2010, 11:41 pm
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Mar 23rd 2010, 11:42 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Just for the record, from what I have read, I think the French system sounds great. It's a mixture of private and government elements. I would be happy to explore and adopt that. And France! A socialist country.
This bill will drive costs through the roof. I don't understand how you don't see that. The numbers bandied about the other from the CBO hid 500 billion.
Secondly, this is about ultimately driving private insurance out of business. Choice will be restricted. Government grows. Encroaches into our lives.
I'm a small businessman. One of my employee's has a a 25 year old slacker hipster kid? So I have to pay to support him? Sod that.
The middle class is going to get shafted over this. Just wait and see your costs go through the roof.
I'm surprised I haven't seen more people saying cut the Pentagon's budget.
Healthcare is a drop in the ocean compared to their outlay.
This bill will drive costs through the roof. I don't understand how you don't see that. The numbers bandied about the other from the CBO hid 500 billion.
Secondly, this is about ultimately driving private insurance out of business. Choice will be restricted. Government grows. Encroaches into our lives.
I'm a small businessman. One of my employee's has a a 25 year old slacker hipster kid? So I have to pay to support him? Sod that.
The middle class is going to get shafted over this. Just wait and see your costs go through the roof.
I'm surprised I haven't seen more people saying cut the Pentagon's budget.
Healthcare is a drop in the ocean compared to their outlay.
Just because the republicans didn't fund the $500 billion in subsidies to insurance companies doesn't mean the democrats cannot use that same non-existent money when they cut those programs. After all, if the subsidies were not cut, the deficit would rise by $500 billion even if health care didn't pass.
I'm sure that when the democrats propose energy independence/clean energy they will find billions of dollars of unfunded subsidies to oil companies that they will also cut and use to fund their program.
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Mar 23rd 2010, 11:44 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
One thing about this whole debacle... it has really brought out the inner moron in a whole bunch of people.
Mar 23rd 2010, 11:45 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
This bill will drive costs through the roof. I don't understand how you don't see that. The numbers bandied about the other from the CBO hid 500 billion.
Secondly, this is about ultimately driving private insurance out of business. Choice will be restricted. Government grows. Encroaches into our lives.
Secondly, this is about ultimately driving private insurance out of business. Choice will be restricted. Government grows. Encroaches into our lives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar...deral_spending
Having said that, why don't you ask the teabagging clowns whether we could cut the deficit (seemingly their priority) by cutting the military?
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Mar 23rd 2010, 11:46 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
I'm not entirely kidding. The declining standards of literacy, numeracy and critical thinking, on both sides of the pond, fscking terrify me.
Mar 24th 2010, 12:04 am
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Don't overlook the American obsession with not paying sufficient taxes to provide anything of meaning. That is why a system like that in France or some of the other European national health care plans would never fly here. The rich would cry about paying more (forget that they used to pay 75% or more above a certain level, and now??? Not so much) and the approximately 40% of tax filers who pay sweet **** all would go apoplectic. Not only do they pay **** all, they often get refundable tax credits in the thousands of dollars. And then head off to the tea party to whine and bitch.
Most of the richest Americans have their primary residence listed as in a state without income tax even though they spend most of their time out of that state. That way they do not have to pay state income tax on investments. Also taxes such as FICA, gas, import, property, etc.) have a very small effect on the rich as compared to the poor or the middle class. Therefore middle income taxpayers pay a significantly high percentage of their income in total taxes than the rich.
Mar 24th 2010, 12:28 am
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
We have MRSA infested community centers here in Seattle.
Funny listening (again) to right wing radio, talking about how difficult it will be to repeal (because people will like it)
Also the legal cases brewing seem to have an way out - by way of single payer, it will be a lot easier to bring single payer in, with the initial bill passed and arguments that you can not force people to buy something, so just turn it in to a tax.
Last edited by kimilseung; Mar 24th 2010 at 12:43 am.