Anti science legislation in Arizona
#106
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Re: Anti science legislation in Arizona
But Reagan, taking some cues from Nixon, transformed the Republican party from being largely a pro-industrial party with a liberal wing into a solid right-wing coalition of businesspeople and religious zealots. The liberals were pushed out and even the moderates have found no place for them there.
The 70s saw the emergence of the "religious right" and Reagan used them to convert the Dixiecrats into Republican voters. The Democrats used to have a solid voting bloc in the South until the civil rights movement alienated the whites.
Belief is far more compelling than facts. Facts aren't always comfortable or convenient, and for most, belief trumps facts every time.
#110
Re: Anti science legislation in Arizona
It is silly season in the AZ legislator at the moment
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2552385.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2552385.html
Meanwhile: manhunt continues for gunman who shot several people today in Phoenix.
Yay, public safety!
#111
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Re: Anti science legislation in Arizona
http://www.hapcoa.com/b4.pdf
#112
Re: Anti science legislation in Arizona
I'm skeptical.
Of everything, and I hope our science teachers are too. And passing that to the students. Blind acceptance has no bearing on scientific theory. All would-be scientists should be from Missouri
One suburb here, Lakewood Ohio, has a high school science teacher that teaches both. Lakewood is very progessive and is considered the gay capitol hereabouts, so it's not a bastion of conservative thought.
The teacher believes that skepicism is at the heart of scientific theory. That being true he has no problem teaching the two theories and letting the students decide.
For some reason, perhaps because we've travelled to the moon?, we think we've got just about everything figured out. Not by a long shot.
You think that textbook is bad, pick up you local HS history textbook. And that's everywhere.
Pete
Of everything, and I hope our science teachers are too. And passing that to the students. Blind acceptance has no bearing on scientific theory. All would-be scientists should be from Missouri
One suburb here, Lakewood Ohio, has a high school science teacher that teaches both. Lakewood is very progessive and is considered the gay capitol hereabouts, so it's not a bastion of conservative thought.
The teacher believes that skepicism is at the heart of scientific theory. That being true he has no problem teaching the two theories and letting the students decide.
For some reason, perhaps because we've travelled to the moon?, we think we've got just about everything figured out. Not by a long shot.
You think that textbook is bad, pick up you local HS history textbook. And that's everywhere.
Pete
#113
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Re: Anti science legislation in Arizona
I'm skeptical.
Of everything, and I hope our science teachers are too. And passing that to the students. Blind acceptance has no bearing on scientific theory. All would-be scientists should be from Missouri
One suburb here, Lakewood Ohio, has a high school science teacher that teaches both. Lakewood is very progessive and is considered the gay capitol hereabouts, so it's not a bastion of conservative thought.
The teacher believes that skepicism is at the heart of scientific theory. That being true he has no problem teaching the two theories and letting the students decide.
For some reason, perhaps because we've travelled to the moon?, we think we've got just about everything figured out. Not by a long shot.
You think that textbook is bad, pick up you local HS history textbook. And that's everywhere.
Pete
Of everything, and I hope our science teachers are too. And passing that to the students. Blind acceptance has no bearing on scientific theory. All would-be scientists should be from Missouri
One suburb here, Lakewood Ohio, has a high school science teacher that teaches both. Lakewood is very progessive and is considered the gay capitol hereabouts, so it's not a bastion of conservative thought.
The teacher believes that skepicism is at the heart of scientific theory. That being true he has no problem teaching the two theories and letting the students decide.
For some reason, perhaps because we've travelled to the moon?, we think we've got just about everything figured out. Not by a long shot.
You think that textbook is bad, pick up you local HS history textbook. And that's everywhere.
Pete
#114
Re: Anti science legislation in Arizona
Whatever BS you think
You can do a LOT of things if you have enough power available. Sagan said if you run a teenie fraction less than the speed of light you can circumnavigate the universe in 28 [edit - YEARS darnit] ship time.
Pete
You can do a LOT of things if you have enough power available. Sagan said if you run a teenie fraction less than the speed of light you can circumnavigate the universe in 28 [edit - YEARS darnit] ship time.
Pete
Last edited by MostlyYank; Feb 1st 2013 at 4:22 pm.
#116
Re: Anti science legislation in Arizona
The teacher has no place in a science classroom.
#117
Re: Anti science legislation in Arizona
The teacher believes that skepicism is at the heart of scientific theory. That being true he has no problem teaching the two theories and letting the students decide.
For some reason, perhaps because we've travelled to the moon?, we think we've got just about everything figured out. Not by a long shot.
For some reason, perhaps because we've travelled to the moon?, we think we've got just about everything figured out. Not by a long shot.
These bills have been carefully crafted to make people like you nod sagely and think why shouldn't we teach kids to have critical thinking skills. I would agree a very useful skill to have.
But that isn't what the bill is really about. There are not two competing theories of how life developed on this planet. There is evolution, the accepted theory that all scientists agree best matches the evidence. Then there are religious doctrines (which are not scientific theories) that do not match the evidence and fill in any gaps with God did it to test our faith. These have no place in a science class room, there is no need to even mention them.
#118
Re: Anti science legislation in Arizona
No, science has not figured everything out that's why it's science not religious doctrine.
These bills have been carefully crafted to make people like you nod sagely and think why shouldn't we teach kids to have critical thinking skills. I would agree a very useful skill to have.
But that isn't what the bill is really about. There are not two competing theories of how life developed on this planet. There is evolution, the accepted theory that all scientists agree best matches the evidence. Then there are religious doctrines (which are not scientific theories) that do not match the evidence and fill in any gaps with God did it to test our faith. These have no place in a science class room, there is no need to even mention them.
These bills have been carefully crafted to make people like you nod sagely and think why shouldn't we teach kids to have critical thinking skills. I would agree a very useful skill to have.
But that isn't what the bill is really about. There are not two competing theories of how life developed on this planet. There is evolution, the accepted theory that all scientists agree best matches the evidence. Then there are religious doctrines (which are not scientific theories) that do not match the evidence and fill in any gaps with God did it to test our faith. These have no place in a science class room, there is no need to even mention them.
#119
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Re: Anti science legislation in Arizona
No, science has not figured everything out that's why it's science not religious doctrine.
These bills have been carefully crafted to make people like you nod sagely and think why shouldn't we teach kids to have critical thinking skills. I would agree a very useful skill to have.
But that isn't what the bill is really about. There are not two competing theories of how life developed on this planet. There is evolution, the accepted theory that all scientists agree best matches the evidence. Then there are religious doctrines (which are not scientific theories) that do not match the evidence and fill in any gaps with God did it to test our faith. These have no place in a science class room, there is no need to even mention them.
These bills have been carefully crafted to make people like you nod sagely and think why shouldn't we teach kids to have critical thinking skills. I would agree a very useful skill to have.
But that isn't what the bill is really about. There are not two competing theories of how life developed on this planet. There is evolution, the accepted theory that all scientists agree best matches the evidence. Then there are religious doctrines (which are not scientific theories) that do not match the evidence and fill in any gaps with God did it to test our faith. These have no place in a science class room, there is no need to even mention them.
#120
Re: Anti science legislation in Arizona
I'm skeptical.
Of everything, and I hope our science teachers are too. And passing that to the students. Blind acceptance has no bearing on scientific theory. All would-be scientists should be from Missouri
One suburb here, Lakewood Ohio, has a high school science teacher that teaches both. Lakewood is very progessive and is considered the gay capitol hereabouts, so it's not a bastion of conservative thought.
The teacher believes that skepicism is at the heart of scientific theory. That being true he has no problem teaching the two theories and letting the students decide.
For some reason, perhaps because we've travelled to the moon?, we think we've got just about everything figured out. Not by a long shot.
You think that textbook is bad, pick up you local HS history textbook. And that's everywhere.
Pete
Of everything, and I hope our science teachers are too. And passing that to the students. Blind acceptance has no bearing on scientific theory. All would-be scientists should be from Missouri
One suburb here, Lakewood Ohio, has a high school science teacher that teaches both. Lakewood is very progessive and is considered the gay capitol hereabouts, so it's not a bastion of conservative thought.
The teacher believes that skepicism is at the heart of scientific theory. That being true he has no problem teaching the two theories and letting the students decide.
For some reason, perhaps because we've travelled to the moon?, we think we've got just about everything figured out. Not by a long shot.
You think that textbook is bad, pick up you local HS history textbook. And that's everywhere.
Pete
Last edited by kimilseung; Feb 1st 2013 at 4:35 pm.