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Old Feb 1st 2013, 6:12 pm
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Originally Posted by MostlyYank
No way Sally Yes I am a Christian, abeit a poor example of one. I do believe that a real god made creation.

But, I don't claim to know how. It could be evolution.

I doubt it. Evolution is not a theory that explains the Big Bang at all.
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Missouri is getting in on the act too, their proposal is utterly ludicrous:

http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking...ro/HB0291I.htm

From: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngu...-pass-are-you/
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Originally Posted by sir_eccles
Point of order, scientists don't believe in a theory. They test theories by proposing a hypothesis, gathering/observing evidence, conducting experiments, and so on and so forth eventually coming to a conclusion that their hypothesis is either correct or not correct.

It's generally referred to as the scientific method.


It's one of the main sticking points I think for fundagelicals to get their heads around - scientists do not "believe" in science the way that a person of faith "believes" in God/deity of choice.
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So why the insistance of treating it as fact-ish as gravity?

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Originally Posted by yellowroom
It's one of the main sticking points I think for fundagelicals to get their heads around - scientists do not "believe" in science the way that a person of faith "believes" in God/deity of choice.
Maybe the federal government needs a specific Science Education Agency then we could use the "segregation of church and state" doctrine to keep the religious wingnuts out of the school laboratory?

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Originally Posted by MostlyYank
So why the insistance of treating it as fact-ish as gravity?
Because, like gravity, there are no viable alternative scientific theories to evolution, it explains most of the observed phenomena and isn't irreconcilably contradicted by any of them.
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Default Re: Anti science legislation in Arizona

Originally Posted by MostlyYank
So why the insistance of treating it as fact-ish as gravity?

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You either didn't read what I wrote, didn't understand what I wrote or are being a troll.
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Default Re: Anti science legislation in Arizona

Originally Posted by MostlyYank
So why the insistance of treating it as fact-ish as gravity?
Do you make a special effort to be this clueless, or does it come to you naturally?
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Originally Posted by yellowroom
It's one of the main sticking points I think for fundagelicals to get their heads around - scientists do not "believe" in science the way that a person of faith "believes" in God/deity of choice.
Yep.

And it also helps to illustrate what goes wrong when laypeople confuse their usage of a word with how specialists use it.

The lay use of the term "theory" is quite different from and far less specific than how it is applied to science. Yet the Mostly Yanks of the world insist on refusing to understand the difference.
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Originally Posted by sir_eccles
Point of order, scientists don't believe in a theory.
Not 100% accurate. Strictly speaking 'gravity' is still a theory yet we accept it as an acknowledged fact.
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Old Feb 1st 2013, 7:27 pm
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Indeed, and we can predict gravity. Heck I can do it right now.

What I mean regarding evolution is, if we're still prepared to accept that it might change - even radically - why the ridicule if someone dares question it?

And consider, if fitting known facts equals proof there'd be a lot of innocent people in jail.

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Originally Posted by MostlyYank
What I mean regarding evolution is, if we're still prepared to accept that it might change - even radically - why the ridicule if someone dares question it?
Neither you nor your creationist buddies are providing anything that is even vaguely scientific or useful.

You're blowing hot air. You know nothing about this stuff, yet you feel obliged to keep opining even though nothing that you say is of any value.
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Originally Posted by MostlyYank
Indeed, and we can predict gravity. Heck I can do it right now.

What I mean regarding evolution is, if we're still prepared to accept that it might change - even radically - why the ridicule if someone dares question it?
Because the people questioning it are not offering a scientific alternative. We laugh at them because "God did it" is not a testable scientific theory. Furthermore, most of the questioning of evolution reveal a complete and utter lack of understanding of what evolution and science in general is.

And consider, if fitting known facts equals proof there'd be a lot of innocent people in jail.

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You can't compare legal proof with scientific proof they are very different processes with very different burdens of proof.
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Strictly speaking 'gravity' is still a theory yet we accept it as an acknowledged fact.
There is a theory of gravity and a law of gravity.

As I understand it, a "law" defines the "what" and the "how", while a "theory" explains the "why". They aren't fundamentally opposed, they just address different aspects of the same phenomenon.
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There is a theory of gravity and a law of gravity.

As I understand it, a "law" defines the "what" and the "how", while a "theory" explains the "why". They aren't fundamentally opposed, they just address different aspects of the same phenomenon.
There's more than one theory of gravity.
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