visa for pakistani in cuba
Oct 28th 2002, 1:55 pm
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Re: visa for pakistani in cuba
PRESIDENT wrote:
> L D Jones
> There is a US Ineterests section and I am sure it is issuing visas to
> Cubans joins their families in USA amond other consular duties.
OK, but the spouse of the USC in this case is from Pakistan, not Cuba.
The question is could he get a US visa in Cuba while his wife is
visiting him there.
I think a K-1 applied for in Pakistan would be simpler.
> L D Jones
> There is a US Ineterests section and I am sure it is issuing visas to
> Cubans joins their families in USA amond other consular duties.
OK, but the spouse of the USC in this case is from Pakistan, not Cuba.
The question is could he get a US visa in Cuba while his wife is
visiting him there.
I think a K-1 applied for in Pakistan would be simpler.
Oct 28th 2002, 3:19 pm
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but he never been to pakistan b4?
is it logic to travel all the way to pakistan to get it and u know the situation there is not stable and sure they will refuse it OR travel to cuba in tourist visa and meet his future wife their on her tourist visa too,get married then try to get him temp visa?
i mean american should know better not to make difficulties coz of foreign policies around the world..if they wanna help him they must know they r help the us citizen wife not only the immigrant pakistani man?
or it's it logic?what do u think?
is it logic to travel all the way to pakistan to get it and u know the situation there is not stable and sure they will refuse it OR travel to cuba in tourist visa and meet his future wife their on her tourist visa too,get married then try to get him temp visa?
i mean american should know better not to make difficulties coz of foreign policies around the world..if they wanna help him they must know they r help the us citizen wife not only the immigrant pakistani man?
or it's it logic?what do u think?
Oct 28th 2002, 4:24 pm
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Re: visa for pakistani in cuba
worried friend wrote:
> but he never been to pakistan b4?
> is it logic to travel all the way to pakistan to get it and u know the
> situation there is not stable and sure they will refuse it OR travel to
> cuba in tourist visa and meet his future wife their on her tourist visa
> too,get married then try to get him temp visa?
US consultes in countries that offer visas via "direct filing" usually
require that one person be a resident of the country (not simply a
tourist). No matter where they marry he cannot enter the US without a
visa, of course. Whether he can get this visa in Cuba (even if his USC
wife has a Cuban tourist visa) is the question.
You ask "is it logic?" Well, I have read recently about persons in the
US on H-1 visas who are told to go all the way to their home country to
revalidate their visas (I believe some have been told this). Do not
count on logic in this process.
> i mean american should know better not to make difficulties coz of
> foreign policies around the world..if they wanna help him they must know
> they r help the us citizen wife not only the immigrant pakistani man?
As far as I can tell from reading alt.visa.us.marriage-based visas for
Pakistanis in Pakistan are still being issued. There is no reason to
automatically deny just because the person is from Pakistan. It may take
longer than "normal" to process the visa, however.
> but he never been to pakistan b4?
> is it logic to travel all the way to pakistan to get it and u know the
> situation there is not stable and sure they will refuse it OR travel to
> cuba in tourist visa and meet his future wife their on her tourist visa
> too,get married then try to get him temp visa?
US consultes in countries that offer visas via "direct filing" usually
require that one person be a resident of the country (not simply a
tourist). No matter where they marry he cannot enter the US without a
visa, of course. Whether he can get this visa in Cuba (even if his USC
wife has a Cuban tourist visa) is the question.
You ask "is it logic?" Well, I have read recently about persons in the
US on H-1 visas who are told to go all the way to their home country to
revalidate their visas (I believe some have been told this). Do not
count on logic in this process.
> i mean american should know better not to make difficulties coz of
> foreign policies around the world..if they wanna help him they must know
> they r help the us citizen wife not only the immigrant pakistani man?
As far as I can tell from reading alt.visa.us.marriage-based visas for
Pakistanis in Pakistan are still being issued. There is no reason to
automatically deny just because the person is from Pakistan. It may take
longer than "normal" to process the visa, however.
Oct 28th 2002, 5:00 pm
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On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 12:45:51 -0800, worried friend wrote:
> she is pure american..and even more she never been to cuba b4..! she did
> not break any law!!
> she is going by the book!
So, how did she get permission to travel to Cuba? From Department of State
(http://travel.state.gov/cuba.html):
ENTRY REQUIREMENTS/TRAVEL TRANSACTION LIMITATIONS: The Cuban Assets
Control Regulations of the U.S. Treasury Department require that persons
subject to U.S. jurisdiction be licensed to engage in any transaction
related to travel to, from and within Cuba. Transactions related to
tourist travel are not licensable. This restriction includes tourist
travel to Cuba from or through a third country such as Mexico or Canada.
And then:
Failure to comply with Department of Treasury regulations may result in
civil penalties and criminal prosecution upon return to the United States.
Did she get permission to travel under one of the other categories who are
allowed to travel to Cuba? Most of those would be discouraged from meeting
people in Cuba, though, so getting married may quite possibly show that
she may not have complied with the terms of the license.
> but can she get married in cuba?
Of course, as long as Cuban law allows it.
> can she fins help from the us consultant office there?
No. The US interest section does not accept applications for immigrant
visas from third-country nationals (see
http://usembassy.state.gov/hav-
ana/wwwhimm.html)
You may want to visit the Web site of the US interest section:
http://usembassy.state.gov-
/posts/cu1/wwwhmain.html
> can she find
> sneaky lawyer to get her spouse a temp visa tell he get to the states
> then change it to immigration visa?
No. That would be immigration fraud and would get him deported and banned
for life.
You keep asking the same question over and over. Unfortunately, asking the
same question many times won't change the law!
> she is pure american..and even more she never been to cuba b4..! she did
> not break any law!!
> she is going by the book!
So, how did she get permission to travel to Cuba? From Department of State
(http://travel.state.gov/cuba.html):
ENTRY REQUIREMENTS/TRAVEL TRANSACTION LIMITATIONS: The Cuban Assets
Control Regulations of the U.S. Treasury Department require that persons
subject to U.S. jurisdiction be licensed to engage in any transaction
related to travel to, from and within Cuba. Transactions related to
tourist travel are not licensable. This restriction includes tourist
travel to Cuba from or through a third country such as Mexico or Canada.
And then:
Failure to comply with Department of Treasury regulations may result in
civil penalties and criminal prosecution upon return to the United States.
Did she get permission to travel under one of the other categories who are
allowed to travel to Cuba? Most of those would be discouraged from meeting
people in Cuba, though, so getting married may quite possibly show that
she may not have complied with the terms of the license.
> but can she get married in cuba?
Of course, as long as Cuban law allows it.
> can she fins help from the us consultant office there?
No. The US interest section does not accept applications for immigrant
visas from third-country nationals (see
http://usembassy.state.gov/hav-
ana/wwwhimm.html)
You may want to visit the Web site of the US interest section:
http://usembassy.state.gov-
/posts/cu1/wwwhmain.html
> can she find
> sneaky lawyer to get her spouse a temp visa tell he get to the states
> then change it to immigration visa?
No. That would be immigration fraud and would get him deported and banned
for life.
You keep asking the same question over and over. Unfortunately, asking the
same question many times won't change the law!
Oct 28th 2002, 5:03 pm
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:14:28 -0800, worried friend wrote:
> well the plan was both of them meet in cuba..get married.. then go back
> to usa after getting the husband a visa.. my early q's was..is it
> possible?..what r needed papers?..how long can visa take to be isssued 4
> the husband after getting married?
I see - so she travelled to Cuba with the express plan to get married to
him, and no other reason. That will make matters worse, unfortunately.
First, this is clearly a touristic activity, which is not licensable.
Second, it is a bad strategy even in the best of circumstances. Even if
she travelled to Egypt or Pakistan and get married there, it would take
about a year for the visa paperwork to get processed.
The better approach is for her to sponsor him for a fiancee visa (takes
"only" six months) and then get married in the US after he arrives using
that visa.
> well the plan was both of them meet in cuba..get married.. then go back
> to usa after getting the husband a visa.. my early q's was..is it
> possible?..what r needed papers?..how long can visa take to be isssued 4
> the husband after getting married?
I see - so she travelled to Cuba with the express plan to get married to
him, and no other reason. That will make matters worse, unfortunately.
First, this is clearly a touristic activity, which is not licensable.
Second, it is a bad strategy even in the best of circumstances. Even if
she travelled to Egypt or Pakistan and get married there, it would take
about a year for the visa paperwork to get processed.
The better approach is for her to sponsor him for a fiancee visa (takes
"only" six months) and then get married in the US after he arrives using
that visa.
Oct 28th 2002, 5:05 pm
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On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:01:36 -0800, Thorsten wrote:
> Ingo Pakleppa wrote:
> > For American citizens, it is normally illegal to go to Cuba due to
> > the boycott.
> How about us LPRs? Could there actually be a benefit to not (yet) being
> a USC? ;-)
Unfortunately, no. It applies to anybody under US jurisdiction - meaning,
permanent residents as well as USCs. In a way, the situation is worse for
us. Us citizens can only be fined or arrested. We can be deported in
addition.
> Thorsten
> P.S. Speaking of exotic islands, Ingo, are you still investigating
> relocation to some Pacific island?
I haven't looked into much there, but it is certainly still something in
the back of my mind. I haven't found a new job yet, and that seems to be
one area where it would be fairly easy to find.
> Ingo Pakleppa wrote:
> > For American citizens, it is normally illegal to go to Cuba due to
> > the boycott.
> How about us LPRs? Could there actually be a benefit to not (yet) being
> a USC? ;-)
Unfortunately, no. It applies to anybody under US jurisdiction - meaning,
permanent residents as well as USCs. In a way, the situation is worse for
us. Us citizens can only be fined or arrested. We can be deported in
addition.
> Thorsten
> P.S. Speaking of exotic islands, Ingo, are you still investigating
> relocation to some Pacific island?
I haven't looked into much there, but it is certainly still something in
the back of my mind. I haven't found a new job yet, and that seems to be
one area where it would be fairly easy to find.
Oct 28th 2002, 5:07 pm
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:19:30 -0800, worried friend wrote:
> but he never been to pakistan b4?
> is it logic to travel all the way to pakistan to get it and u know the
> situation there is not stable and sure they will refuse it OR travel to
> cuba in tourist visa and meet his future wife their on her tourist visa
> too,get married then try to get him temp visa?
If he is a permanent resident of Egypt, then he can use the US consulate
in Egypt. So your reasoning doesn't hold water. Besides, while Pakistan of
course has problems, it is not a truly "unstable" country.
> i mean american should know better not to make difficulties coz of
> foreign policies around the world..if they wanna help him they must know
> they r help the us citizen wife not only the immigrant pakistani man?
> or it's it logic?what do u think?
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
> but he never been to pakistan b4?
> is it logic to travel all the way to pakistan to get it and u know the
> situation there is not stable and sure they will refuse it OR travel to
> cuba in tourist visa and meet his future wife their on her tourist visa
> too,get married then try to get him temp visa?
If he is a permanent resident of Egypt, then he can use the US consulate
in Egypt. So your reasoning doesn't hold water. Besides, while Pakistan of
course has problems, it is not a truly "unstable" country.
> i mean american should know better not to make difficulties coz of
> foreign policies around the world..if they wanna help him they must know
> they r help the us citizen wife not only the immigrant pakistani man?
> or it's it logic?what do u think?
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Oct 28th 2002, 7:44 pm
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he tried to use the US consulate but they never give him even a positive hope of getting any visa!!
and by the way the fiancee visa is a TOTAL joke! just apply 4 it and die next to it dreaming that it will get approved 1 day after a million year!
and by the way the fiancee visa is a TOTAL joke! just apply 4 it and die next to it dreaming that it will get approved 1 day after a million year!
Oct 28th 2002, 8:48 pm
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Ingo Pakleppa wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:01:36 -0800, Thorsten wrote:
>>Ingo Pakleppa wrote:
>> > For American citizens, it is normally illegal to go to Cuba due to
>> > the boycott.
>>How about us LPRs? Could there actually be a benefit to not (yet) being
>>a USC? ;-)
> Unfortunately, no. It applies to anybody under US jurisdiction - meaning,
> permanent residents as well as USCs. In a way, the situation is worse for
> us. Us citizens can only be fined or arrested. We can be deported in
> addition.
Well, I guess we'll just have to hope for an improvement of U.S.-Cuba
relations, then.
Thorsten
> On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:01:36 -0800, Thorsten wrote:
>>Ingo Pakleppa wrote:
>> > For American citizens, it is normally illegal to go to Cuba due to
>> > the boycott.
>>How about us LPRs? Could there actually be a benefit to not (yet) being
>>a USC? ;-)
> Unfortunately, no. It applies to anybody under US jurisdiction - meaning,
> permanent residents as well as USCs. In a way, the situation is worse for
> us. Us citizens can only be fined or arrested. We can be deported in
> addition.
Well, I guess we'll just have to hope for an improvement of U.S.-Cuba
relations, then.
Thorsten
Oct 28th 2002, 9:05 pm
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On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:44:43 -0800, worried friend wrote:
> he tried to use the US consulate but they never give him even a positive
> hope of getting any visa!!
> and by the way the fiancee visa is a TOTAL joke! just apply 4 it and die
> next to it dreaming that it will get approved 1 day after a million
> year!
And yet the fiancee visa is the fastest way... Yes, it still takes a long
time!
> he tried to use the US consulate but they never give him even a positive
> hope of getting any visa!!
> and by the way the fiancee visa is a TOTAL joke! just apply 4 it and die
> next to it dreaming that it will get approved 1 day after a million
> year!
And yet the fiancee visa is the fastest way... Yes, it still takes a long
time!
Oct 29th 2002, 3:55 pm
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I am just curious, why did this friend pick Cuba of all the places. If the idea was to be close to US, why not Bermuda, Bahamas or any of the Carribean nations that speak English.
Secondly, if the objective was to be married to him, why not in Egypt ? After the marriage has taken place in Egypt, your friend can apply for him at the District INS in US. Th eprocess may take 6-9 months, at least he will arrive in US on a Green Crad , married to a USC.
It seems to me that the whole adventure in Cuba will add to her immigration woes rather than provide a solution.
Secondly, if the objective was to be married to him, why not in Egypt ? After the marriage has taken place in Egypt, your friend can apply for him at the District INS in US. Th eprocess may take 6-9 months, at least he will arrive in US on a Green Crad , married to a USC.
It seems to me that the whole adventure in Cuba will add to her immigration woes rather than provide a solution.
Oct 29th 2002, 6:13 pm
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i already answered ur q's but i will answer them again!
y cyba? well coz it's the only country which did not refuse to give him visa..while the rest of latin middle countries refused starting from bahams to all the rest not to mention carabian countries..!
y not in egypt well coz his futured wife was scared to death when she went to get visa to egypt..the US governemnt advice her not to go to the middle east especially now..!
they waited alot to get married..so now stupid war btw US and iraq can delay it anymore!!
so they decided to elope to cuba..and hence this thread was started all from the start!
ok?
y cyba? well coz it's the only country which did not refuse to give him visa..while the rest of latin middle countries refused starting from bahams to all the rest not to mention carabian countries..!
y not in egypt well coz his futured wife was scared to death when she went to get visa to egypt..the US governemnt advice her not to go to the middle east especially now..!
they waited alot to get married..so now stupid war btw US and iraq can delay it anymore!!
so they decided to elope to cuba..and hence this thread was started all from the start!
ok?
Oct 29th 2002, 7:08 pm
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"Ingo Pakleppa" wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:00:10 -0700, worried friend wrote:
> > ok here is the problem ppl..i hope u understand it a friends of mine
> > pakistani male and american female going to cuba on turist visa.. he is
> > coming from from egypt after he got cuban tourist visa and she is coming
> > from the states after getting tourist cuabn visa
> >
> > they gonna meet in cuba..and
> > intend to get married there..
> > but no us embassy in cuba..so where shall they go?and..
The Pakistani male can get an immigrant visa only in the country of his
nationality, or in the country of his permanent residence. Occasionally a
U.S. consular post will accept for processing a person other than a citizen
or permanent resident of the country where it is located, but there
generally has to be a strong humanitarian reason, that is, a real sob story,
connected with the situation.
> She probably shouldn't go to Cuba in the first place. For American
> citizens, it is normally illegal to go to Cuba due to the boycott.
I understand that more than 100,000 Americans visited Cuba last year. It's
true that these travelers must have a license, from the Office of Foreign
Assets Control of the U.S. Department of the Treasury, to spend money in
Cuba. However, it is not all that onerous to get such a license. There are
several ways to travel under a general license (for example, a full-time
professional person attending a professional conference), and there are
several ways to get a specific license. For example, a person can travel
under the auspices of a religious organization, and the religious
organization only has to renew the specific license every two years. Or a
person can travel under the license of an educational institution, and that
institution's license only has to be renewed every two years. Also a person
can get his or her own specific license for such purposes at attending a
cultural event like a dance performance. See
http://www.usacubatravel.com/res-
triction.htm,
http://www.usacubatravel.com/e-
ventcultural.htm.
> If they want to get an immigrant visa for him based on the marriage, there
> are several problems:
> - first, from the marriage certificate it would be obvious to the US
> consulate that she broke the law. I'm not sure what the penalty is, but
> would not rule out that it is a prison term.
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> On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:00:10 -0700, worried friend wrote:
> > ok here is the problem ppl..i hope u understand it a friends of mine
> > pakistani male and american female going to cuba on turist visa.. he is
> > coming from from egypt after he got cuban tourist visa and she is coming
> > from the states after getting tourist cuabn visa
> >
> > they gonna meet in cuba..and
> > intend to get married there..
> > but no us embassy in cuba..so where shall they go?and..
The Pakistani male can get an immigrant visa only in the country of his
nationality, or in the country of his permanent residence. Occasionally a
U.S. consular post will accept for processing a person other than a citizen
or permanent resident of the country where it is located, but there
generally has to be a strong humanitarian reason, that is, a real sob story,
connected with the situation.
> She probably shouldn't go to Cuba in the first place. For American
> citizens, it is normally illegal to go to Cuba due to the boycott.
I understand that more than 100,000 Americans visited Cuba last year. It's
true that these travelers must have a license, from the Office of Foreign
Assets Control of the U.S. Department of the Treasury, to spend money in
Cuba. However, it is not all that onerous to get such a license. There are
several ways to travel under a general license (for example, a full-time
professional person attending a professional conference), and there are
several ways to get a specific license. For example, a person can travel
under the auspices of a religious organization, and the religious
organization only has to renew the specific license every two years. Or a
person can travel under the license of an educational institution, and that
institution's license only has to be renewed every two years. Also a person
can get his or her own specific license for such purposes at attending a
cultural event like a dance performance. See
http://www.usacubatravel.com/res-
triction.htm,
http://www.usacubatravel.com/e-
ventcultural.htm.
> If they want to get an immigrant visa for him based on the marriage, there
> are several problems:
> - first, from the marriage certificate it would be obvious to the US
> consulate that she broke the law. I'm not sure what the penalty is, but
> would not rule out that it is a prison term.
Oct 30th 2002, 6:52 am
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if what u say is true then he only can get married in cuba..but he has to return to egypt to get the visa..!
and correct me if i am wrong ..there is no way absolutelt none what so ever that he can get to Us from cuba from his tourist visa?
or shall he try to find a really sneaky lawyer in cuba to do him the job ..u know money talks!!
and correct me if i am wrong ..there is no way absolutelt none what so ever that he can get to Us from cuba from his tourist visa?
or shall he try to find a really sneaky lawyer in cuba to do him the job ..u know money talks!!
Oct 30th 2002, 10:59 am
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Re: visa for pakistani in cuba
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:13:46 -0800, worried friend wrote:
> i already answered ur q's but i will answer them again! y cyba? well coz
> it's the only country which did not refuse to give him visa..while the
> rest of latin middle countries refused starting from bahams to all the
> rest not to mention carabian countries..!
>
> y not in egypt well coz his futured wife was scared to death when she
> went to get visa to egypt..the US governemnt advice her not to go to the
> middle east especially now..!
>
> they waited alot to get married..so now stupid war btw US and iraq can
> delay it anymore!!
>
> so they decided to elope to cuba..and hence this thread was started all
> from the start!
>
> ok?
Thanks for explaining that. It gives some background information, and that
often helps. On the human side, I can perfectly understand her reasoning.
As long as she has the required license to go to Cuba, she should be fine
- and if not, she may have a valid defense that would at least reduce her
penalty. One question that certainly will come up is how they met. Since
she apparently never travelled to meet him anywhere in the Middle East,
and he apparently never travelled to the western hemisphere, this may look
like an arranged or fraudulent marriage. Given where he came from, I would
not even be surprised if this raised some extra terrorism concerns (unfair
as it may be). You need to be prepared for some serious questions in that
respect.
That leaves the question of how to get an immigrant visa for him. Going to
Egypt will, unfortunately, be the only way. She does NOT have to accompany
him. She will have to file a petition for him first after she returns to
the US.
> i already answered ur q's but i will answer them again! y cyba? well coz
> it's the only country which did not refuse to give him visa..while the
> rest of latin middle countries refused starting from bahams to all the
> rest not to mention carabian countries..!
>
> y not in egypt well coz his futured wife was scared to death when she
> went to get visa to egypt..the US governemnt advice her not to go to the
> middle east especially now..!
>
> they waited alot to get married..so now stupid war btw US and iraq can
> delay it anymore!!
>
> so they decided to elope to cuba..and hence this thread was started all
> from the start!
>
> ok?
Thanks for explaining that. It gives some background information, and that
often helps. On the human side, I can perfectly understand her reasoning.
As long as she has the required license to go to Cuba, she should be fine
- and if not, she may have a valid defense that would at least reduce her
penalty. One question that certainly will come up is how they met. Since
she apparently never travelled to meet him anywhere in the Middle East,
and he apparently never travelled to the western hemisphere, this may look
like an arranged or fraudulent marriage. Given where he came from, I would
not even be surprised if this raised some extra terrorism concerns (unfair
as it may be). You need to be prepared for some serious questions in that
respect.
That leaves the question of how to get an immigrant visa for him. Going to
Egypt will, unfortunately, be the only way. She does NOT have to accompany
him. She will have to file a petition for him first after she returns to
the US.