Info for convention center citizenship oath ceremony people
Dec 10th 2005, 8:39 pm
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Re: Info for convention center citizenship oath ceremony people
Congrats to your wife on her citizenship. 
I went to my first husband's oath ceremony back in early 1980's in Tucson, Arizona. As I recall, it was pretty boring for me. I'm also not a big pomp & circumstance kind of person. However, I was happy to share this important event with him, and was very proud of his accomplishment. So I can understand your frustration with the day, and your relief that it's over.
Best Wishes,
Rene
I went to my first husband's oath ceremony back in early 1980's in Tucson, Arizona. As I recall, it was pretty boring for me. I'm also not a big pomp & circumstance kind of person. However, I was happy to share this important event with him, and was very proud of his accomplishment. So I can understand your frustration with the day, and your relief that it's over. Best Wishes,
Rene
Dec 10th 2005, 8:40 pm
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Re: Info for convention center citizenship oath ceremony people
Originally Posted by Matthew Udall
I never used public transportation when living in Salt Lake City, as I had a truck then and I didn’t feel the need. But then I moved to San Francisco to attend law school and that is where I learned the value of living life without being a slave to an automobile. I had a GMC Jimmy while in SF, but usually only moved it out of its parking space (on the street in front of my apartment) once a week to let the street sweeper go by. Finding parking in SF was harder than in SLC.
When the lovely Lisa and I decided to pull up stakes and move to Pasadena (So. Cal.) one condition I placed was that no matter where we ended up in So. Cal., I didn’t want to become a slave again to a car. So I found an office that is one mile away from the home we rented. I’m one of those lucky So. Cal. people who can walk to work every day (and that’s what I do). Last year they finished the Gold Line (and there is a station 2 blocks away from my house), and I’ve used it a number of times to get to downtown L.A. Fast, reliable and inexpensive.
When the Gold Line first started running, they didn’t charge to ride it the first weekend. I took my bicycle and rode the Gold Line to Union Station. Transferred to the Red Line for a couple of stops. Then jumped on the Blue Line and took it down to Rosa Parks Station. Then jumped on the Green Line and rode it to the end. Got off and cycled over to Manhattan Beach for a day of riding the trails along the beach.
Last weekend I rode the Gold Line to Union Station, met up with some of my friends and then took the Surfrider (Amtrack?) down to Oceanside in order to attend a Strong Ale Festival held at Pizza Port in Carlsbad. Drinking and driving is bad, um-k?
Riding these trains is also a nice way to get to LAX. It takes a bit longer to get there and back, but it eliminates the high cost of parking at or near the airport.
When the lovely Lisa and I decided to pull up stakes and move to Pasadena (So. Cal.) one condition I placed was that no matter where we ended up in So. Cal., I didn’t want to become a slave again to a car. So I found an office that is one mile away from the home we rented. I’m one of those lucky So. Cal. people who can walk to work every day (and that’s what I do). Last year they finished the Gold Line (and there is a station 2 blocks away from my house), and I’ve used it a number of times to get to downtown L.A. Fast, reliable and inexpensive.
When the Gold Line first started running, they didn’t charge to ride it the first weekend. I took my bicycle and rode the Gold Line to Union Station. Transferred to the Red Line for a couple of stops. Then jumped on the Blue Line and took it down to Rosa Parks Station. Then jumped on the Green Line and rode it to the end. Got off and cycled over to Manhattan Beach for a day of riding the trails along the beach.
Last weekend I rode the Gold Line to Union Station, met up with some of my friends and then took the Surfrider (Amtrack?) down to Oceanside in order to attend a Strong Ale Festival held at Pizza Port in Carlsbad. Drinking and driving is bad, um-k?
Riding these trains is also a nice way to get to LAX. It takes a bit longer to get there and back, but it eliminates the high cost of parking at or near the airport.
OK, speaking of being cumbersome -- it WAS the height of incompetence to have the Green Line NOT go into LAX. I know that I could manage public transit to LAX if I had to -- but SuperShuttle and their ilk are my best choice. Given my new location, I just might park my care in my building and get over to the Roosevelt Hotel where SuperShuttle has a fixed stop for a lot less $$.
Also, it looks like that Rep. Waxman is softening in his opposition to Federal Transit $$ for extension of the Red Line to the West Side. I like Henry [I was gerrymandered out of his district, but that's another story] but that is one thing he really got wrong IMHO.
Dec 10th 2005, 9:05 pm
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Re: Info for convention center citizenship oath ceremony people
Originally Posted by Folinskyinla
Hi:
OK, speaking of being cumbersome -- it WAS the height of incompetence to have the Green Line NOT go into LAX. I know that I could manage public transit to LAX if I had to -- but SuperShuttle and their ilk are my best choice. Given my new location, I just might park my care in my building and get over to the Roosevelt Hotel where SuperShuttle has a fixed stop for a lot less $$.
Also, it looks like that Rep. Waxman is softening in his opposition to Federal Transit $$ for extension of the Red Line to the West Side. I like Henry [I was gerrymandered out of his district, but that's another story] but that is one thing he really got wrong IMHO.
OK, speaking of being cumbersome -- it WAS the height of incompetence to have the Green Line NOT go into LAX. I know that I could manage public transit to LAX if I had to -- but SuperShuttle and their ilk are my best choice. Given my new location, I just might park my care in my building and get over to the Roosevelt Hotel where SuperShuttle has a fixed stop for a lot less $$.
Also, it looks like that Rep. Waxman is softening in his opposition to Federal Transit $$ for extension of the Red Line to the West Side. I like Henry [I was gerrymandered out of his district, but that's another story] but that is one thing he really got wrong IMHO.
I hear BART in SF goes straight into SFO. That was not complete by the time I moved away from SF, so back then I'd take BART east and get off at the Oakland Coliseum stop, then take the BART shuttle to the airport in Oakland. Very convenient.
Dec 10th 2005, 9:12 pm
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Re: Info for convention center citizenship oath ceremony people
Originally Posted by Matthew Udall
I would love to see them extend the red line, and would probably use it all the time if it went as far west as Woodland Hills (I go out there at least once a month). I don't fly often and have not used the green line to get to LAX, but they do have shuttles that take one from the green line station closest to LAX (don't remember the name of the station) into the airport (don't know if the shuttle is free).
I hear BART in SF goes straight into SFO. That was not complete by the time I moved away from SF, so back then I'd take BART east and get off at the Oakland Coliseum stop, then take the BART shuttle to the airport in Oakland. Very convenient.
I hear BART in SF goes straight into SFO. That was not complete by the time I moved away from SF, so back then I'd take BART east and get off at the Oakland Coliseum stop, then take the BART shuttle to the airport in Oakland. Very convenient.
There is a FREE shuttle from the Green Line into LAX. However, I understand that a lot of the airport employees like to park out that way and then take the shuttle in. Which makes a pain in the rear end.
BTW, the new Orange Line busway is now in service from the North Hollywood terminus of the Red Line. Its only been open a month -- its a trolley like bus from what I understand. It runs all the way out the Warner Center.
Further BTW, the Metrolink north out of Union Station stops at Bob Hope Airport. I use Bob Hope in lieu of LAX whenever I can.
Dec 11th 2005, 3:05 am
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Re: Info for convention center citizenship oath ceremony people
patrickc wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:30:31 GMT, "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Rete wrote:
>>>I'm sorry that you don't see the need for the pomp and circumstance in
>>>the ceremony. My husband became a USC on December 12, 2003 and his
>>>ceremony was in federal court in New York City. Both he and I loved the
>>>P&C of the ceremony. Both of us felt that naturalization is an
>>>important and auspicious occasion and deserved to be celebrated in a
>>>manner outside of the norm.
>>I gotta agree. He also ranted about a $10 parking fee to park in LA.
>>After all of the money spent on the process, big deal.
>>No one forced him to drive downtown. He could have parked at plenty of
>>places and taken public transit for about 1.50
>
> I did not RANT about the $10 fee, I just find it exorbitant. You have
> to remember that many of the people becoming citizens really cannot
> afford $10 for parking in Los Angeles.
>
> You would rely on public buses in L.A. to get you to an important
> appointment on time? I would not.
"Appointment" LOL.. There is a wide range of time you could have
arrived. I wouldn't rely on a car any more than the bus. Buses sometimes
get their own traffic lanes. Buses don't run once every 4 hours to the
convention center, do they? Surely you wouldn't pick a bus scheduled to
arrive at 8:55 if you MUST be somewhere at 9. I would guess there
would be a number of buses that would get you there from an hour before
to the actual time they were supposed to be there. II really don't think
all 4000 new citizens to be, PLUS their families arrived at the same time.
If they can't afford $10 to park, how did they "afford" all of that
other money to get into the country, go through the process, etc.
I don't think $10 is extreme LA. You have consider the cost of building,
staff, maintenance, etc especially for a facility that is used only part
time.
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:30:31 GMT, "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Rete wrote:
>>>I'm sorry that you don't see the need for the pomp and circumstance in
>>>the ceremony. My husband became a USC on December 12, 2003 and his
>>>ceremony was in federal court in New York City. Both he and I loved the
>>>P&C of the ceremony. Both of us felt that naturalization is an
>>>important and auspicious occasion and deserved to be celebrated in a
>>>manner outside of the norm.
>>I gotta agree. He also ranted about a $10 parking fee to park in LA.
>>After all of the money spent on the process, big deal.
>>No one forced him to drive downtown. He could have parked at plenty of
>>places and taken public transit for about 1.50
>
> I did not RANT about the $10 fee, I just find it exorbitant. You have
> to remember that many of the people becoming citizens really cannot
> afford $10 for parking in Los Angeles.
>
> You would rely on public buses in L.A. to get you to an important
> appointment on time? I would not.
"Appointment" LOL.. There is a wide range of time you could have
arrived. I wouldn't rely on a car any more than the bus. Buses sometimes
get their own traffic lanes. Buses don't run once every 4 hours to the
convention center, do they? Surely you wouldn't pick a bus scheduled to
arrive at 8:55 if you MUST be somewhere at 9. I would guess there
would be a number of buses that would get you there from an hour before
to the actual time they were supposed to be there. II really don't think
all 4000 new citizens to be, PLUS their families arrived at the same time.
If they can't afford $10 to park, how did they "afford" all of that
other money to get into the country, go through the process, etc.
I don't think $10 is extreme LA. You have consider the cost of building,
staff, maintenance, etc especially for a facility that is used only part
time.
Dec 14th 2005, 12:41 am
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Re: Info for convention center citizenship oath ceremony people
In article <[email protected]> ,
Folinskyinla <member4043@british_expats.com> wrote:
[cut]
>Hi:
>I've attended one of these ceremonies as a guest. [CIS will make
>special arrangements for an attorney who expresses interest. I went
>once when a friend was being sworn in].
>The thing that got to me was when the oath was administered. I could
>just feel the emotion just wafting over me -- from 5,000 people who had
>just become "American" by choice, not just happenstance of birth. [BTW,
>I have the natz certficiates of my grandparents and mother on the wall
>in my office to remind me why I do this]. It brought a tear to my eye.
>On the Judge -- it used to be that naturalization was a Judicial
>function and was technically a law suit in which one "petitioned" for
>naturalization after preliminary investigation by the immigration
>authorities. The 1990 legislation changed this to administrative
>naturalization. However, it was later changed somewhat at the lobbying
>of the judges of the Central District of California. The District
>Courts now have the authority to administer the oaths if they elect to
>do so. CD California has so elected. Look, naturalization is an
>important event and the Judges ENJOY swearing in new citizens.
I think it's true, and I guess I'm a bit of a romantic type (in the
classical sense), so I enjoyed the ceremonial aspects of becoming a Canadian
citizen (just before moving to the US :-), and I expect to enjoy the US
naturalization ceremony in ~3 years (have had 2yr GC for about 8 months
now).
However, I think the current generation isn't quite as enamored of the
"status" and privilege of being a US citizen, and views it only as a
hassle..
MH
Folinskyinla <member4043@british_expats.com> wrote:
[cut]
>Hi:
>I've attended one of these ceremonies as a guest. [CIS will make
>special arrangements for an attorney who expresses interest. I went
>once when a friend was being sworn in].
>The thing that got to me was when the oath was administered. I could
>just feel the emotion just wafting over me -- from 5,000 people who had
>just become "American" by choice, not just happenstance of birth. [BTW,
>I have the natz certficiates of my grandparents and mother on the wall
>in my office to remind me why I do this]. It brought a tear to my eye.
>On the Judge -- it used to be that naturalization was a Judicial
>function and was technically a law suit in which one "petitioned" for
>naturalization after preliminary investigation by the immigration
>authorities. The 1990 legislation changed this to administrative
>naturalization. However, it was later changed somewhat at the lobbying
>of the judges of the Central District of California. The District
>Courts now have the authority to administer the oaths if they elect to
>do so. CD California has so elected. Look, naturalization is an
>important event and the Judges ENJOY swearing in new citizens.
I think it's true, and I guess I'm a bit of a romantic type (in the
classical sense), so I enjoyed the ceremonial aspects of becoming a Canadian
citizen (just before moving to the US :-), and I expect to enjoy the US
naturalization ceremony in ~3 years (have had 2yr GC for about 8 months
now).
However, I think the current generation isn't quite as enamored of the
"status" and privilege of being a US citizen, and views it only as a
hassle..
MH
Dec 14th 2005, 1:06 am
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Re: Info for convention center citizenship oath ceremony people
Originally Posted by Mh
In article <[email protected]> ,
Folinskyinla <member4043@british_expats.com> wrote:
[cut]
>Hi:
>I've attended one of these ceremonies as a guest. [CIS will make
>special arrangements for an attorney who expresses interest. I went
>once when a friend was being sworn in].
>The thing that got to me was when the oath was administered. I could
>just feel the emotion just wafting over me -- from 5,000 people who had
>just become "American" by choice, not just happenstance of birth. [BTW,
>I have the natz certficiates of my grandparents and mother on the wall
>in my office to remind me why I do this]. It brought a tear to my eye.
>On the Judge -- it used to be that naturalization was a Judicial
>function and was technically a law suit in which one "petitioned" for
>naturalization after preliminary investigation by the immigration
>authorities. The 1990 legislation changed this to administrative
>naturalization. However, it was later changed somewhat at the lobbying
>of the judges of the Central District of California. The District
>Courts now have the authority to administer the oaths if they elect to
>do so. CD California has so elected. Look, naturalization is an
>important event and the Judges ENJOY swearing in new citizens.
I think it's true, and I guess I'm a bit of a romantic type (in the
classical sense), so I enjoyed the ceremonial aspects of becoming a Canadian
citizen (just before moving to the US :-), and I expect to enjoy the US
naturalization ceremony in ~3 years (have had 2yr GC for about 8 months
now).
However, I think the current generation isn't quite as enamored of the
"status" and privilege of being a US citizen, and views it only as a
hassle..
MH
Folinskyinla <member4043@british_expats.com> wrote:
[cut]
>Hi:
>I've attended one of these ceremonies as a guest. [CIS will make
>special arrangements for an attorney who expresses interest. I went
>once when a friend was being sworn in].
>The thing that got to me was when the oath was administered. I could
>just feel the emotion just wafting over me -- from 5,000 people who had
>just become "American" by choice, not just happenstance of birth. [BTW,
>I have the natz certficiates of my grandparents and mother on the wall
>in my office to remind me why I do this]. It brought a tear to my eye.
>On the Judge -- it used to be that naturalization was a Judicial
>function and was technically a law suit in which one "petitioned" for
>naturalization after preliminary investigation by the immigration
>authorities. The 1990 legislation changed this to administrative
>naturalization. However, it was later changed somewhat at the lobbying
>of the judges of the Central District of California. The District
>Courts now have the authority to administer the oaths if they elect to
>do so. CD California has so elected. Look, naturalization is an
>important event and the Judges ENJOY swearing in new citizens.
I think it's true, and I guess I'm a bit of a romantic type (in the
classical sense), so I enjoyed the ceremonial aspects of becoming a Canadian
citizen (just before moving to the US :-), and I expect to enjoy the US
naturalization ceremony in ~3 years (have had 2yr GC for about 8 months
now).
However, I think the current generation isn't quite as enamored of the
"status" and privilege of being a US citizen, and views it only as a
hassle..
MH
The natz ceremony I attended was back in the 80's -- long before 9/11 -- and that was the first time I ever saw the video of "I'm proud to be an American!!" I can't say that I minded the video except that I would have preferred Woody Guthrie "This land is my land..."
