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Old Sep 4th 2008, 7:49 pm   #31
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In my opinion it's a collection of bigotry made to look like science. But here's Wikipedia's take: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnos...ntal_Disorders
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I believe the practice of masochism is indeed still in there. Perhaps us Americans will make it into the 21st century in the next few decades if we can shut the bloody soccer moms up.
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I believe the practice of masochism is indeed still in there. Perhaps us Americans will make it into the 21st century in the next few decades if we can shut the bloody soccer moms up.
How about the hockey moms?
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I wonder if, theoretically, taking cocodamol in the UK without a prescription (as it is an over the counter tablet in the UK) would be construed as "taking drugs" in the US, as codeine in any form is a prescribed drug?
Codeine (up to 8 mg) is an OTC drug in Canada also, but is a Sechedule 1 narcotic in the US. If you have a prescription for it, no problem, but if you bring codeine from Canada into the US (even though it's OTC in Canada, and for personal use), you can still be charged with smuggling if you don't declare it at the border! Of course, if you do declare it at the border, you risk it being confiscated! Hmm... to declare or not to declare!


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Another poster put this link up in another thread, and Mr. F said it was a good one. So I thought it merited inclusion in this thread, for easier reference.

List of what is/is not to be considered CIMT

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86942.pdf
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Most of this talks about convictions but the question also mentions arrests. What if you had been arrested and released a few hours later without conviction or record?

My story:
I once sold a car when I was 20 and the git who bought it paid me with a stolen cheque (he and his mates were on a spending spree with a stolen cheque book). The following day I went to the bank to cash it and after wondering why the bank was taking so long to hand over my money there was a tap on my shoulder, when I turned around Two Police officers asked what I was doing in possession of a stolen cheque?
I explained I had just sold my car, unfortunately I was dumb enough to accept a cheque
Not having any reason to believe me I was arrested and taken to the Police station. Once they had established my story and realised I was not part of the 'gang' I was taken to make a statement and give a description, etc and then released. I've never been in trouble with the Police before or since so it was an ordeal for me but at least it was over pretty quickly.
The worse part was the embarrassment of being marched out of the bank like a thief with everyone staying
Now reading the London US embassy website it states I must get a visa if you have been arrested, period. They don't even mention CIMT, surely I dont fall under CIMT, do I ?
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Most of this talks about convictions but the question also mentions arrests. What if you had been arrested and released a few hours later without conviction or record?

My story:
I once sold a car when I was 20 and the git who bought it paid me with a stolen cheque (he and his mates were on a spending spree with a stolen cheque book). The following day I went to the bank to cash it and after wondering why the bank was taking so long to hand over my money there was a tap on my shoulder, when I turned around Two Police officers asked what I was doing in possession of a stolen cheque?
I explained I had just sold my car, unfortunately I was dumb enough to accept a cheque
Not having any reason to believe me I was arrested and taken to the Police station. Once they had established my story and realised I was not part of the 'gang' I was taken to make a statement and give a description, etc and then released. I've never been in trouble with the Police before or since so it was an ordeal for me but at least it was over pretty quickly.
The worse part was the embarrassment of being marched out of the bank like a thief with everyone staying
Now reading the London US embassy website it states I must get a visa if you have been arrested, period. They don't even mention CIMT, surely I dont fall under CIMT, do I ?
Read the I-94 ..can you say no to everthing

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Whats the difference between aggravated drunk driving and simple drunk driving? thanks
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ok im sorry got it now.
one other question: does falsely reporting a crime fall under the crimes involving moral turpitude as posted by Ray above?, because thats a point i was sentenced for, that may be fall under moral turpitude and i want to get a visa waiver...

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ok im sorry got it now.
one other question: does falsely reporting a crime fall under the crimes involving moral turpitude as posted by Ray above?, because thats a point i was sentenced for, that may be fall under moral turpitude and i want to get a visa waiver...

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Hi:

You pose an excellent question. However, it is one that can't be answered easily in an on-line forum.
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The specific elements vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. I would call it "drunk driving with an additional factor." Was there injury to person or property? Are there prior DUI/DWI convictions?

I recall a case where the DUI also included a driving without a license, the license having been suspended as part of a prior DUI conviction. If memory serves me correct, the moral turpitude arose from driving to the bar to drink despite the earlier conviction.

By way of some "CYA" language: Although I am responding to your question, I am not answering it. This response is general in nature and is in no way intended as legal advice. In fact, this response is not legal advice in any way.

Further note: In an effort to avoid being "obscure" and to avoid terms that may not be understood I am posting a link for assistance of the reader: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_your_ass

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1,5 years ago i had an car accident, due to drunk driving. I was 18 years old at that point.
I was found guilty of: careless driving, absconding after a traffic accident, bodily injury caused by negligence, affecting a criminal offense.
I was sentenced to 15 months of drivers license removal, and had to take a traffic course. Juvenile Law was applied. Some of the maximum sentences are over one year of imprisonment.

What happend was that I was drunk and drove with a friend in my fathers car. Then I hit a Lamp by the street, my friend was very lightly injured. Due to my drunkness i said that another person was driving not me. when i had sobered up, I called the police and told them that i was the one who drove.

There were no other charges before or after this incident.
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