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Old Jun 15th 2009, 10:12 pm
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The degree to which I find this "pun" to be offensive and inappropriate is staggering. No! The pun is not pardonable.
The comment has been removed. No point insulting other nationalities here, either.
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Old Jun 15th 2009, 10:15 pm
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Originally Posted by md95065
If you can find a way to answer "no" to that question without feeling that you lied, then you will probably get the visa since there is normally no medical examination involved for a non-immigrant visa.

While some people on this forum will probably feel that this is going just a bit too close to the line I would strongly suggest that you *not* research exactly what the US government means by "communicable disease of public health significance" but simply ask yourslef whether in your specific case there is an "public health significance" to any disease which you may have.
While I appreciate a bit of creative thinking when it comes to immigration solutions, I wonder seriously where the applicant's 'feelings' are taken into consideration for this sort of determination.

Unfortunately, there are a handful of medical conditions which make a person inadmissible, period, and it doesn't have much to do with how they interpret their medical condition, same as their view of the importance of certain arrests.
Since you normally give very sane answers, I'd just say: proceed with caution.
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Dear Fat: I don't generally report such things; broadly, people can speak as they find and be appropriately answerable. I tend to think that readers should judge such things for themselves. But thank you for the reminder.

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Meauxna beat me to it.

That is what we are here to, JC. One of our functions is to try and keep the insults to a "minimum" and clean up the crap left by people of dubious mental capacity.
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Originally Posted by JCraigFong


Well, I went to Yale and Penn, so in truth, and these Ivies are well known for fostering the use of humor, quoting of Shakespeare, and using references to Gilbert & Sullivan. Irony is a required course in Third Year.

J:

Off topic -- remind one day to find that law review article Howard Hom gave me regarding the use of Alice In Wonderland and Through The Looking Glass in legal opinions.

Of course, I much prefer J.M. Barrie as used in Low v Attorney General, 479 F.2nd 820. Of course, this is one of the case CIS ignored this year in finding that a person not even in the United States can depart from the United States. Sigh.
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Old Jun 16th 2009, 12:06 am
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Originally Posted by brightonotter
If push comes to shove I will set my sights a bit lower and head to Quebec, or South Africa, or New Zealand.

I'm just raging against 'the machine' that makes it so difficult for a young person to experience the whole global community.

Dear Otter: A rage against the machine is understandable. Being an immigration lawyer, I spend more time than I like to think about screaming, grinding my teeth, and punching pillows because of things USCIS has done.

Having said that, and based on MY OWN experience as a Canadian resident -- I can tell you that you need not feel as if you were setting your sights "a bit lower" to go to Québec, South Africa, or New Zealand. These are GREAT places.

Unless, you meant "lower" as in "further South!"

Best of luck.

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Old Jun 16th 2009, 1:11 am
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Originally Posted by md95065
While it might seem that there is no way forward, don't give up just yet.
Maybe we should have a HowToLieYourWayIntoTheUS.com Forum. You could be the moderator. Your post is borderline criminal. Allowing such posts to be in this forum makes the rest of us look bad by association.
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Your post is borderline criminal.
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well to be honest i'm feeling a bit down in the dumps: being HIV+ i cannot go to: a) america b) canada for any extended period of time c) australia for any extended period of time and d) new zealand either....

the authorities think im going to cut myself and run around bleeding into peoples open mouths? Sexually speaking we HIV+ people should use condoms... but so should the damn american citizens! How exactly am i being a risk? I know this forum cant answer me... but it just makes me rather peeved.

hiv bans are a relic from the 80s and a way of making a population feel secure by alienating an illness that is prevalent in their own country; yet a ban makes it seem like 'a problem for those foreign people'.
As far as my detriment to the national healthcare system goes... i don't see them barring entry to obese people that will end up with diabetic problem, cardiovascular disease, etc.

I'm going to keep my head down in Europe: enough diversity here to keep me interested, i just didnt fancy spending time yearning YET ANOTHER language!

Thanks for the advice though guys.
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otter,
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..good luck with your endeavors!

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Default Re: America : "no room in the inn"

Originally Posted by brightonotter
Sexually speaking we HIV+ people should use condoms... but so should the damn american citizens!
I understand your frustration (and your need to vent), but since the US government can't do anything about US citizens and they can do something about those who wish to enter the US... that is where they focus their efforts.

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I understand your frustration (and your need to vent), but since the US government can't do anything about US citizens and they can do something about those who wish to enter the US... that is where they focus their efforts.

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I understand the frustration too. The US is not alone, nor the most draconian though. For example, Russia requires anyone seeking a visa for a visit of more than 3 months to provide a health certificate stating they do not have HIV.

http://www.russianvisa.org/www/russianvisaorg.nsf/e7d6175f95c1d6d0c3256d0c00238b44/fad77621fb0d065ac3256d170044d3b4/$FILE/HIV%20Certificate.pdf
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Originally Posted by JCraigFong
The HIV Exclusion. As of today's date, this draconian exclusion still exists for immigrants and nonimmigrants, and anyone who tells you different is unaware of the facts. Period.
I'd like to correct myself here. Or at least elucidate a bit.

In my review of the 2009 version of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA)-- thank you Stuart Folinsky -- I belatedly noticed that INA §212(a)(1)(A)(i) now no longer contains the language excluding persons who have an "infection with the etiologic agent for acquired immune deficiency syndrome." The Bush administration had talked about removing this, and it had slipped my mind that the actual legislation had been signed.

However, the Public Health Service still considers HIV a disease of public health significance, and admission of an alien with any disease so defined is subject to immigration regulations. In other words, the STATUTE no longer specifically excludes HIV+ aliens, but the regulations still contain restrictions on entry, availability of waivers, and such. Alas, until such regulations are also amended, HIV positive aliens are going to have a rough road coming to the USA.

I am making this explanation because I would not want it said that I misstated the facts or misled anyone.

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Originally Posted by brightonotter
well to be honest i'm feeling a bit down in the dumps: being HIV+ i cannot go to: a) america b) canada for any extended period of time c) australia for any extended period of time and d) new zealand either....

the authorities think im going to cut myself and run around bleeding into peoples open mouths? Sexually speaking we HIV+ people should use condoms... but so should the damn american citizens! How exactly am i being a risk? I know this forum cant answer me... but it just makes me rather peeved.

hiv bans are a relic from the 80s and a way of making a population feel secure by alienating an illness that is prevalent in their own country; yet a ban makes it seem like 'a problem for those foreign people'.
As far as my detriment to the national healthcare system goes... i don't see them barring entry to obese people that will end up with diabetic problem, cardiovascular disease, etc.

I'm going to keep my head down in Europe: enough diversity here to keep me interested, i just didnt fancy spending time yearning YET ANOTHER language!

Thanks for the advice though guys.

I dont think about whether you use a condom or not - its about whether you had an accident through no fault of your own and had no/limited insurance and ended up hospitalised - who would pay for your care/treatment? They dont want anyone to become a public charge - so even those without aids often have to provide a finacial sponsor who will cover those costs.
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Originally Posted by JCraigFong

In my review of the 2009 version of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA)-- thank you Stuart Folinsky -- I belatedly noticed that INA §212(a)(1)(A)(i) now no longer contains the language excluding persons who have an "infection with the etiologic agent for acquired immune deficiency syndrome."
To everyone:

J and I had been discussing this. I'm old fashioned and order the West's copy of "Immigration Laws and Regulations" which comes every May [just as my old copy is about to fall apart]. My 2009 copy arrived just last week. So, in looking at this, we were both pleasantly surprised. This has happened to me before -- an amendment sneaks "under the radar." That is why I tend to glance at the statute or regulations every time I do something.

J and I live and breath "immigration" to a certain extent -- and no one, repeat no one, can know it all.
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Originally Posted by MsElui
I dont think about whether you use a condom or not - its about whether you had an accident through no fault of your own and had no/limited insurance and ended up hospitalised - who would pay for your care/treatment? They dont want anyone to become a public charge - so even those without aids often have to provide a finacial sponsor who will cover those costs.
Exactly. There was a family a year or so ago who were rejected by Canada because their daughter was being prescribed human growth hormones. Countries don't want immigrants who may need healthcare at taxpayers expense.
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