"work to live" vs "live to work"
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Re: "work to live" vs "live to work"
But, unless one is at the level of, say, a Bob Dylan or a Barbra Streisand who can call their own shots, isn't even music always on someone else's terms when it is a means of earning a living as opposed to being a hobby? The record company's, the promoter's? Even the local municipality that imposes the curfew at the live show? The union local that says the road crew can't do this or that? And in the olden days the radio station that said the track was too long to be played on the air? It's always something, whatever the job!
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Re: "work to live" vs "live to work"
But, unless one is at the level of, say, a Bob Dylan or a Barbra Streisand who can call their own shots, isn't even music always on someone else's terms when it is a means of earning a living as opposed to being a hobby? The record company's, the promoter's? Even the local municipality that imposes the curfew at the live show? The union local that says the road crew can't do this or that? And in the olden days the radio station that said the track was too long to be played on the air? It's always something, whatever the job!
However - by maintaining a day job, I can still write songs and get them out there myself. With sites like you tube and facebook, self-promotion via the internet is actually a viable option for those that can support themselves via other means, therefore bypassing the need to deal with the Simon Cowells of the world ...
#34
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Maybe my understanding is different from others:
work to live:
don't particularly want to work but are forced to to "stay alive"
if suddenly won the lottery would not be working, or doing anything similar to work.
very clear business/pleasure divide.
live to work:
Most would still need the money, but is not the main incentive.
Enjoys job - would volunteer for extra work etc...
If suddenly won the lottery would probably still be doing the same thing (but perhaps slightly less)
Have I completely missed the point somewhere?
work to live:
don't particularly want to work but are forced to to "stay alive"
if suddenly won the lottery would not be working, or doing anything similar to work.
very clear business/pleasure divide.
live to work:
Most would still need the money, but is not the main incentive.
Enjoys job - would volunteer for extra work etc...
If suddenly won the lottery would probably still be doing the same thing (but perhaps slightly less)
Have I completely missed the point somewhere?
Work to Live = Work pays your cost of living.
Live to Work = Work defines your way of life.
Also, its rather amusing that people who quote that expression are usually trying to convince themselves of it.
I find its more accurate and thought provoking to discuss work in terms of "cost of living" and "way of life". Much more revealing........
#36
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However - by maintaining a day job, I can still write songs and get them out there myself. With sites like you tube and facebook, self-promotion via the internet is actually a viable option for those that can support themselves via other means, therefore bypassing the need to deal with the Simon Cowells of the world ...
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Re: "work to live" vs "live to work"
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Right. I'd be worried that I'd not love music anymore if it became 'work' as opposed to that thing I do to help me forget how mind-numbingly depressing it is that I have to work in the first place ...
Right. I'd be worried that I'd not love music anymore if it became 'work' as opposed to that thing I do to help me forget how mind-numbingly depressing it is that I have to work in the first place ...
#38
Re: "work to live" vs "live to work"
work to live:
don't particularly want to work but are forced to to "stay alive"
if suddenly won the lottery would not be working, or doing anything similar to work.
very clear business/pleasure divide.
live to work:
Most would still need the money, but is not the main incentive.
Enjoys job - would volunteer for extra work etc...
If suddenly won the lottery would probably still be doing the same thing (but perhaps slightly less)
don't particularly want to work but are forced to to "stay alive"
if suddenly won the lottery would not be working, or doing anything similar to work.
very clear business/pleasure divide.
live to work:
Most would still need the money, but is not the main incentive.
Enjoys job - would volunteer for extra work etc...
If suddenly won the lottery would probably still be doing the same thing (but perhaps slightly less)
At least for this forum, I hope its fair to assume that most people chose what they wanted to study/learn at some point, whether by professional education, or otherwise. With that assumption in mind, you should be doing what you've wanted to do, rather than forced into a profession - unless it was a wrong decision, of course.
Also, my personality is such that if I start thinking of the hobbies I enjoy as "work", I suddenly don't like them as well. "Work" should be one thing, "pleasure" should be my hobbies that I enjoy outside of work. As soon as a hobby becomes something I MUST do in order to survive (i.e. regular hours, paycheck, demands made on my time), I don't enjoy it anymore...
I definitely need to be doing *something*, I can't just sit around. I hope I'm healthy enough in my retirement years to do lots of traveling, as that is what I miss most about having a "work to live" life.
Oops, I just read the beginning of this thread....for the record, I'm a USC (not a Brit ExPat).
Rene
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Re: "work to live" vs "live to work"
Also, my personality is such that if I start thinking of the hobbies I enjoy as "work", I suddenly don't like them as well. "Work" should be one thing, "pleasure" should be my hobbies that I enjoy outside of work. As soon as a hobby becomes something I MUST do in order to survive (i.e. regular hours, paycheck, demands made on my time), I don't enjoy it anymore...
From the looks of your signature, it looks like you immigrated to the US not too long ago
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From the looks of your signature, it looks like you immigrated to the US not too long ago[/QUOTE]
I'm the USC spouse. My husband immigrated to the USA in 2004. Unlike me, he lives to work...definitely loves what he does, and is a workaholic! He repairs antique oriental rugs.
Rene
I'm the USC spouse. My husband immigrated to the USA in 2004. Unlike me, he lives to work...definitely loves what he does, and is a workaholic! He repairs antique oriental rugs.
Rene
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Re: "work to live" vs "live to work"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2094947/
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I saw her recently in this documentary. I don't care for her singing at all, but it was nice to learn something of her life.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2094947/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2094947/
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Re: "work to live" vs "live to work"
^What kind of music do you make?