crg

I worked with a guy who was the victim of a home invasion. There was an intruder in the house, he locked himself in the back bedroom. He was with his child, and on the phone with the 911 dispatcher. He was yelling "don't come in here" as the attacker was breaking through the bedroom door. He caught the guy with one round to the neck. The police didn't show up for another 10 minutes.

Law-abidding people shouldn't have to worry about being helpless as criminals slaughter their family.

Criminals should worry about what weapons a potential victim might have.

Gun owners should be vetted, trained, and responsibly store the weapons.

Nobody needs an Uzi.

Leslie

You wouldn't diagnose me with gun envy for simply admiring your cannon, would you?

Folinskyinla

Hi:

That is a situation which would be within the "rules of engagement." I was sitting with friends in a small restaurant and two people entered with weapons drawn. They had the drop on us. When my dad was robbed -- well lets put it this way, his description of the guy was blue "watch cap" [dad had been a coastie in WWII], Browning .45 and what else do you want to know?

BTW, this is the first time I've been engaged in a reasonable conversation on gun control. I think it should be encouraged. [There had been another thread here which had gotten totally out of control. What a difference. ]

Ray

There was a similar story in my local paper some years ago

Where a young man entered a busy restaurant during the early
bird special time, with a shotgun and demanded everybody
hand over there money..

The story went on too say 83 and 88 year old Mr Y and Mr X
pulled out their concealed weapons, shot him 3 times
sat down and continued their meal...

Rete

I'm so tired of people saying you have to have a gun in New York City or that everyone carries a gun in NYC or that the crime is so bad in NYC.

None of those statements have any validity at all. Leave your weapons at home where they belong when you fly, drive, or walk to another state. We don't need and you don't need your weapons here.

anotherlimey

I don't see a mention of him carrying it about his person, so I don't know why the concealed carry issue came up? unless NY doesn't allow people to transport firearms?

As far as I can see the concealed carry permit is irrelevant.

ETA: a quick read of the NRA webpage on transporting firearms could have saved him a lot of trouble: http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=59

As far as I know possessing a firearm illegally is a felony in any state. Looks like your relative is in deep do-do.

Leslie

I'm tired of people saying that Texas is full of ignorant rednecks, racist cops, homophobic preachers and Bible bashing fruit bats. :curse:

anotherlimey

Yeah... that's not all there is... they also have a woman who looks like Stiffler's mum..

Leslie

We also have drive through bars but nobody ever mentions those.

Folinskyinla

Hi:

On the "rules of engagement" end of things -- it depends upon the facts of the situation. What us lawyers call "case by case." Assuming the story is true, one might wonder if the shooters increased the risk to other customers there?

Folinskyinla

Rete:

Totally in agreement with you. However, paul1968mcr on mentioned the word "need" in connection with Federal control of who can carry a concealed firearm and the necessity of keeping them out of the hands of criminals. He did not say one "needs" to carry in New York City.

[Of course, even on "The Coast" I've heard of New York's finest carry heat using it on unarmed individuals.]

Ray

LOL ..This is Florida ...nobody disturbs the oldies during
the early bird special hours...

From what I remember
the guy survived and no charges were made against the shooters.

This was long before the "stand your ground” laws.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/07/us/07shoot.html

elfman

right - there are lots of cows as well

Leslie

Did you just call me a cow?

Ray

better the heiffer...