OT: betogether.com
Jan 22nd 2002, 5:15 pm
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I just had a look see at the price list they have for their various services.
http://www.betogethernow.com/cgi-bin...i?pg=pricelist
I have to say, these folks have a nice website setup but anyone foolish enough to pay
them for their DIY Kit or Full Service Option has money to burn.
The DIY Kit is nothing more than what this NG gives out in free information and what
is listed in the FAQ and accompanying experience sites. Plus you can either d/l or
get the forms for free in the mail from the INS with up-to-date mailing/filing
instructions.
At least they don't claim to be legal eagles, former INS workers or even paralegals
and only make reference to their application specialists.
Heck with Alvena's experience, she could put up one of those sites and rake in the
money and leave the backhills of Kentucky for greener pastures and at the same time
ensuring that her clients had the most experienced knowledgable person doing their
applications for them.
Rita
Hating to see lovers get caught up in gimmicks
http://www.betogethernow.com/cgi-bin...i?pg=pricelist
I have to say, these folks have a nice website setup but anyone foolish enough to pay
them for their DIY Kit or Full Service Option has money to burn.
The DIY Kit is nothing more than what this NG gives out in free information and what
is listed in the FAQ and accompanying experience sites. Plus you can either d/l or
get the forms for free in the mail from the INS with up-to-date mailing/filing
instructions.
At least they don't claim to be legal eagles, former INS workers or even paralegals
and only make reference to their application specialists.
Heck with Alvena's experience, she could put up one of those sites and rake in the
money and leave the backhills of Kentucky for greener pastures and at the same time
ensuring that her clients had the most experienced knowledgable person doing their
applications for them.
Rita
Hating to see lovers get caught up in gimmicks
Jan 22nd 2002, 5:29 pm
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I coudn't agree more with rita, we ourselves did all our own filing, downloaded our
forms from the ins and used this newsgroup for advise. Nice site, but like rita said
they offer nothing more than you can already get for free right here.
Sean
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forms from the ins and used this newsgroup for advise. Nice site, but like rita said
they offer nothing more than you can already get for free right here.
Sean
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Jan 22nd 2002, 6:14 pm
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Rita,
I'm glad to see that you are so concerned about couples, but I'd much appreciate it
if you didn't make such disparaging remarks about my company without any basis
whatsoever.
The DIY kit you mention is actually a lot more than what you've described it to be.
The DIY kit does offer forms that you can get anywhere for free. But, the forms that
_we provide_ are extraordinarily *convenient and useful*, because:
1. they are integrated with your online database that allows you to
a. save, update, retrieve, and print your application information *whenever* you
choose. The regular INS forms can *not* be saved. You have to fill out
everything at one time and print right then. In order to save it, you'd have to
purchase an expensive Adobe Acrobat full edition. Using our DIY kit, you
effectively have access to BTN's full edition for your own personal use via our
database integration.
2. they allow more than one person to work on a particular form at the same time,
even though they are in different countries! (If you really want to know, THAT's
the seller, because as everyone knows, coordination of these things can be
frustrating.)
3. they allow our staff to make suggestions and offer guidance as to what you may be
missing from your application, while it's in progress to save you time and
frustration. And, based on what they see in your application, they will let you
know right away if an attorney may be necessary.
4. once they are complete, you can request a review of your application from someone
who is very experienced with your immigration situation. Someone who knows the
rules/regs, who's been through it before will review and give you much needed
information as to what you should do next, what to look out for.
5. if you order the DIY kit you will have access to a living, breathing person who
will answer whatever questions you may have, or direct you to someone who *can*
answer your question. Our staff is in constant contact via email and phone with
the clients we serve.
6. once your application is complete, signed and ready for submission, we will scan
all documents, distill it to Adobe and burn it to CD for you.
No, we are not attorneys. We are not former INS employees. However, our company is
staffed with people just like Alvena. Everyone who works with me has brought a
fiance(e) into the US successfully. In fact, that's how we all met--whilst helping
and supporting each other in our INS processes.
Considering that a consultation with an attorney would likely cost between $200-$300,
I think our DIY kit for a mere $29.95 (K-1) or $49.95 (K-3)which will allow a
motivated, initiated, and organized person to do their application on their own,
conveniently and quickly with the guidance of someone who's been there before is
amazingly valuable. And, we will continue to offer it with a clean and joyful heart.
So, I *deny* your accusation that our DIY kit is a gimmick. Because, we *do* offer a
unique service for our DIY customers.
Please do not make any more disparaging, negative or accusatory comments about my
this company.
Thanks, jehan Founder www.betogethernow.com Immigration Services for Long Distance
Couples Love knows no limits or borders
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita" <[email protected]> Newsgroups:
alt.visa.us.marriage-based Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: OT:
betogether.com
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I'm glad to see that you are so concerned about couples, but I'd much appreciate it
if you didn't make such disparaging remarks about my company without any basis
whatsoever.
The DIY kit you mention is actually a lot more than what you've described it to be.
The DIY kit does offer forms that you can get anywhere for free. But, the forms that
_we provide_ are extraordinarily *convenient and useful*, because:
1. they are integrated with your online database that allows you to
a. save, update, retrieve, and print your application information *whenever* you
choose. The regular INS forms can *not* be saved. You have to fill out
everything at one time and print right then. In order to save it, you'd have to
purchase an expensive Adobe Acrobat full edition. Using our DIY kit, you
effectively have access to BTN's full edition for your own personal use via our
database integration.
2. they allow more than one person to work on a particular form at the same time,
even though they are in different countries! (If you really want to know, THAT's
the seller, because as everyone knows, coordination of these things can be
frustrating.)
3. they allow our staff to make suggestions and offer guidance as to what you may be
missing from your application, while it's in progress to save you time and
frustration. And, based on what they see in your application, they will let you
know right away if an attorney may be necessary.
4. once they are complete, you can request a review of your application from someone
who is very experienced with your immigration situation. Someone who knows the
rules/regs, who's been through it before will review and give you much needed
information as to what you should do next, what to look out for.
5. if you order the DIY kit you will have access to a living, breathing person who
will answer whatever questions you may have, or direct you to someone who *can*
answer your question. Our staff is in constant contact via email and phone with
the clients we serve.
6. once your application is complete, signed and ready for submission, we will scan
all documents, distill it to Adobe and burn it to CD for you.
No, we are not attorneys. We are not former INS employees. However, our company is
staffed with people just like Alvena. Everyone who works with me has brought a
fiance(e) into the US successfully. In fact, that's how we all met--whilst helping
and supporting each other in our INS processes.
Considering that a consultation with an attorney would likely cost between $200-$300,
I think our DIY kit for a mere $29.95 (K-1) or $49.95 (K-3)which will allow a
motivated, initiated, and organized person to do their application on their own,
conveniently and quickly with the guidance of someone who's been there before is
amazingly valuable. And, we will continue to offer it with a clean and joyful heart.
So, I *deny* your accusation that our DIY kit is a gimmick. Because, we *do* offer a
unique service for our DIY customers.
Please do not make any more disparaging, negative or accusatory comments about my
this company.
Thanks, jehan Founder www.betogethernow.com Immigration Services for Long Distance
Couples Love knows no limits or borders
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita" <[email protected]> Newsgroups:
alt.visa.us.marriage-based Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: OT:
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Jan 22nd 2002, 7:28 pm
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Member
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 14,049
Rita,
I wonder if the Kentucky Bar Association has heard about these folks yet? If what jihan says is correct, (s)he and the KBA may have some issues to discuss.
Regards, JEff
I wonder if the Kentucky Bar Association has heard about these folks yet? If what jihan says is correct, (s)he and the KBA may have some issues to discuss.
Regards, JEff
Originally posted by Betogethernow.Com\
Rita,
I'm glad to see that you are so concerned about couples, but I'd much appreciate it if you didn't make such disparaging remarks about my company without any basis whatsoever.
The DIY kit you mention is actually a lot more than what you've described it to be.
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No, we are not attorneys. We are not former INS employees. However, our company is staffed with people just like Alvena. Everyone who works with me has brought a fiance(e) into the US successfully. In fact, that's how we all met--whilst helping and supporting each other in our INS processes.
Considering that a consultation with an attorney would likely cost between $200-$300, I think our DIY kit for a mere $29.95 (K-1) or $49.95 (K-3)which will allow a motivated, initiated, and organized person to do their application on their own, conveniently and quickly with the guidance of someone who's been there before is amazingly valuable. And, we will continue to offer it with a clean and joyful heart.
<<snip>>
Thanks, jehan Founder www.betogethernow.com Immigration Services for Long Distance
Couples Love knows no limits or borders
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita" <[email protected]> Newsgroups:
alt.visa.us.marriage-based Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: OT:
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Rita,
I'm glad to see that you are so concerned about couples, but I'd much appreciate it if you didn't make such disparaging remarks about my company without any basis whatsoever.
The DIY kit you mention is actually a lot more than what you've described it to be.
<<snip>>
No, we are not attorneys. We are not former INS employees. However, our company is staffed with people just like Alvena. Everyone who works with me has brought a fiance(e) into the US successfully. In fact, that's how we all met--whilst helping and supporting each other in our INS processes.
Considering that a consultation with an attorney would likely cost between $200-$300, I think our DIY kit for a mere $29.95 (K-1) or $49.95 (K-3)which will allow a motivated, initiated, and organized person to do their application on their own, conveniently and quickly with the guidance of someone who's been there before is amazingly valuable. And, we will continue to offer it with a clean and joyful heart.
<<snip>>
Thanks, jehan Founder www.betogethernow.com Immigration Services for Long Distance
Couples Love knows no limits or borders
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita" <[email protected]> Newsgroups:
alt.visa.us.marriage-based Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: OT:
betogether.com
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Jan 22nd 2002, 8:15 pm
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Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 46,410
You're Encroaching on a Public Forum With Yr Advertisement of Paid Services
Marie
I'm sorry that my commentary on your website and services are upsetting. As this is a NG and an open forum and you have publicly advertised your site and services to the members of this forum, I am quite within my rights to voice my opinion of your product.
I, personally, do not see that what I said was disaparaging. But you are free to interpret my comments any which way you please.
Perhaps you would like to remove yourself from a public forum offering FREE advice to couples where one partner is a foreigner. To offer advice here decreases the income your site may bring in.
As JeffreyH said, it is quite likely that your site which has been openly advertised is now up to scrunity by the Bar Association. The KY Bar takes a very dim view of such sites and will threaten you with legal action if they feel that you are providing services that only can be provided by a bar associated attorney.
Rita
I'm sorry that my commentary on your website and services are upsetting. As this is a NG and an open forum and you have publicly advertised your site and services to the members of this forum, I am quite within my rights to voice my opinion of your product.
I, personally, do not see that what I said was disaparaging. But you are free to interpret my comments any which way you please.
Perhaps you would like to remove yourself from a public forum offering FREE advice to couples where one partner is a foreigner. To offer advice here decreases the income your site may bring in.
As JeffreyH said, it is quite likely that your site which has been openly advertised is now up to scrunity by the Bar Association. The KY Bar takes a very dim view of such sites and will threaten you with legal action if they feel that you are providing services that only can be provided by a bar associated attorney.
Rita
Jan 22nd 2002, 9:27 pm
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"betogethernow.com(tm)" wrote:
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If you post things on a newsgroup, you are going to get negative comments. You are
going to get positive comments. You are going to get weird comments. It's a
newsgroup, not CNN. If you want to avoid comments you don't like, then you might
want to avoid newsgroups. We all read things in newsgroups that we don't like or
agree with.
A word of caution.. A frequent poster here had a free website offering the same type
of advice you are offering on your commercial web site. The state bar ass. shut him
down. I think that was in Kentucky.
Good luck...
I also note that your site doesn't appear to offer anything for applying for
IR-1/CR-1 I would think you would at least mention this, especially DCF. Or, am I
just not looking in the right place???
Michael
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If you post things on a newsgroup, you are going to get negative comments. You are
going to get positive comments. You are going to get weird comments. It's a
newsgroup, not CNN. If you want to avoid comments you don't like, then you might
want to avoid newsgroups. We all read things in newsgroups that we don't like or
agree with.
A word of caution.. A frequent poster here had a free website offering the same type
of advice you are offering on your commercial web site. The state bar ass. shut him
down. I think that was in Kentucky.
Good luck...
I also note that your site doesn't appear to offer anything for applying for
IR-1/CR-1 I would think you would at least mention this, especially DCF. Or, am I
just not looking in the right place???
Michael
Jan 22nd 2002, 9:32 pm
#7
Forum Regular
Joined: Mar 2001
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 276
Jeff,
Good point. I was wondering about that myself.
-Harry
Good point. I was wondering about that myself.
-Harry
Jan 22nd 2002, 10:20 pm
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"betogethernow.com(tm)" wrote:
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Just a couple of things:
1. I presume you have checked with your state bar association to ensure that you are
within the legal limits of your state. If not, please do so, it could save you a
lot of grief.
2. The people in this group tend to be the ones who are "do-it-yourselfers" and as
such, you may encounter some resistance to your posts. That's not to say that you
are wrong, however IF you make an incorrect post to the group and the group proves
that it was incorrect with a citing of the immigration law, it won't do your
business much good. Just a tip.
Frankly, I think you offer what may be a very good service, and I wish you well. We
would also be interested to hear some positive feedback from those who have purchased
your service, which might be the best advertisement you could post here.
Alvena
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Doc Steen Site: http://www.mindspring.com/~docsteen/...o/visainfo.htm
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I am not a lawyer and this is not immigration advice. This is my personal opinion,
posted for the purpose of discussion only. Locate an immigration attorney in your
area at: http://www.aila.org
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Just a couple of things:
1. I presume you have checked with your state bar association to ensure that you are
within the legal limits of your state. If not, please do so, it could save you a
lot of grief.
2. The people in this group tend to be the ones who are "do-it-yourselfers" and as
such, you may encounter some resistance to your posts. That's not to say that you
are wrong, however IF you make an incorrect post to the group and the group proves
that it was incorrect with a citing of the immigration law, it won't do your
business much good. Just a tip.
Frankly, I think you offer what may be a very good service, and I wish you well. We
would also be interested to hear some positive feedback from those who have purchased
your service, which might be the best advertisement you could post here.
Alvena
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Doc Steen Site: http://www.mindspring.com/~docsteen/...o/visainfo.htm
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I am not a lawyer and this is not immigration advice. This is my personal opinion,
posted for the purpose of discussion only. Locate an immigration attorney in your
area at: http://www.aila.org
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Jan 22nd 2002, 11:03 pm
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After going through the website, I made up my mind to use the betogethernow.com
service when we decide to file our papers. I can't afford an immigration lawyer so
this seems like the ideal solution and a great idea by people who have been in the
same situation as me. I have all the forms, and it just seems daunting, i have about
10 questions about how to fill it out already, and that was just a brief glance. My
fiance was intent on hiring an immigration lawyer, at a cost of $1400 approx. Just as
the shock hit me, i found this site, and i am glad i did. Sure i could ask question
after question in this newsgroup, but it wouldn't help my stress levels knowing i was
so unsure of the process
Rgrds, John
service when we decide to file our papers. I can't afford an immigration lawyer so
this seems like the ideal solution and a great idea by people who have been in the
same situation as me. I have all the forms, and it just seems daunting, i have about
10 questions about how to fill it out already, and that was just a brief glance. My
fiance was intent on hiring an immigration lawyer, at a cost of $1400 approx. Just as
the shock hit me, i found this site, and i am glad i did. Sure i could ask question
after question in this newsgroup, but it wouldn't help my stress levels knowing i was
so unsure of the process
Rgrds, John
Jan 23rd 2002, 12:12 am
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Concierge
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 46,410
Mr. Galvin
It is your life and money and you are free to do with both what you will. But please be aware that the owners of this "business" have clearly stated that they are not attorneys and they are only people like you and me and others in this NG who have done this for themselves. They will answer questions you put to them in the same fashion as anyone on a NG can and would.
If you are truly scared of a the paperwork that INS makes you complete for the K-1, then I strongly suggest you hire an attorney. He/she will do the paperwork for you, hold your hand and intervene on your behalf if there are problems with INS. This website service will not be able to do that for you. They will complete your paperwork with the information you provide them and then they are off the hook. If they make a typo or provide you with incorrect information, are you prepared to go to Seattle, WA to hunt them do for a refund or for a law suit?
I just want you to be 100% sure that you are buying a service to complete your paperwork only. You are not hiring legal professionals who will be with you to the end of your INS journey. Their liability begins and ends with your paperwork.
Rita
It is your life and money and you are free to do with both what you will. But please be aware that the owners of this "business" have clearly stated that they are not attorneys and they are only people like you and me and others in this NG who have done this for themselves. They will answer questions you put to them in the same fashion as anyone on a NG can and would.
If you are truly scared of a the paperwork that INS makes you complete for the K-1, then I strongly suggest you hire an attorney. He/she will do the paperwork for you, hold your hand and intervene on your behalf if there are problems with INS. This website service will not be able to do that for you. They will complete your paperwork with the information you provide them and then they are off the hook. If they make a typo or provide you with incorrect information, are you prepared to go to Seattle, WA to hunt them do for a refund or for a law suit?
I just want you to be 100% sure that you are buying a service to complete your paperwork only. You are not hiring legal professionals who will be with you to the end of your INS journey. Their liability begins and ends with your paperwork.
Rita
Jan 23rd 2002, 1:00 am
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I don't think there is any information there that you can't get here. The people
HERE have been through it all, including some methods I can't find on the site, like
DCF. Not only that, the people HERE have up to date information on what happened to
them at certain Consulates, Points of Entry, and INS offices.
Michael
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I don't think there is any information there that you can't get here.
The peopleHERE have been through it all, including some methods I can't find on the site, like
DCF. Not only that, the people HERE have up to date information on what happened to
them at certain Consulates, Points of Entry, and INS offices.
Michael
