Oregon incident.
Oct 2nd 2015, 5:07 pm
#76
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Re: Oregon incident.
It seems Oregon did recently tighten their gun laws:
"Local elected officials this year made universal background checks mandatory before the sale of any firearm in Oregon, one of 18 out of 50 states to do so. Elsewhere in the United States, sales at gun shows or on the Internet are not subject to such controls, a known loophole."
Oregon state had recently tightened gun laws
So it would not even have been possible to buy a firearm at a gun show without the background check. Unfortunately, those checks only show if a person has been convicted of some crime or other condition that disqualifies them. I suppoose there is no way to prevent an undiagnosed sociopath from buying one even with the new Oregon law.
Unfortunately, with 250 - 300 million guns in private hands in this country the cat is definitively out of the bag. It would be an effort equivalent to deporting 11 million illegals to get rid of all the guns - so not happening.
However, it is disturbing that self-righteous gun control advocates - who as a practical matter can offer no real-world solutions - so casually and routinely accuse the rest of us of being callous and accepting of these mass shootings.
Oregon state had recently tightened gun laws
So it would not even have been possible to buy a firearm at a gun show without the background check. Unfortunately, those checks only show if a person has been convicted of some crime or other condition that disqualifies them. I suppoose there is no way to prevent an undiagnosed sociopath from buying one even with the new Oregon law.
Unfortunately, with 250 - 300 million guns in private hands in this country the cat is definitively out of the bag. It would be an effort equivalent to deporting 11 million illegals to get rid of all the guns - so not happening.
However, it is disturbing that self-righteous gun control advocates - who as a practical matter can offer no real-world solutions - so casually and routinely accuse the rest of us of being callous and accepting of these mass shootings.
Oct 2nd 2015, 5:13 pm
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Re: Oregon incident.
The State legislator who sponsored that bill when asked on TV admitted it was unenforceable. They said the only prosecutions were likely to come if a gun was used in a crime and was traced back to the seller. I guess it stopped those respectable people who choose to obey the law becoming a source for the less scrupulous to buy from. Thereby reducing the available supply. It sure as heck hasn't reduced the gang shootings in Portland.
Oct 2nd 2015, 5:24 pm
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Re: Oregon incident.
I just read that this was the 45th school shooting this year...that is about 6.5 per day up until Oct 1. Seriously disturbing fact. The country is a mess. As for gun control, banning certain weapons is a start and let's not have inconsistent gun laws from state to state. Of course my view has always been, if you want to treat the 2nd amendment like this is still 1776...buy a ****ing flintlock.
Oct 2nd 2015, 5:36 pm
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Re: Oregon incident.
Anyway, banning guns, it's silly...making ownership of one less palatable could have more affect.
Massively expensive liability insurance requirement to cover accidents/deaths and the uninsured.
Life in prison if your gun is used in an accidental killing or murder or is stolen. Should be popular, this country loves to stick people in prison.
Simple things like this would make it less appealing to own, but nothing there to stop you owning a gun and just because it might be a right to own, doesn't mean it has to be cheap....so get rid of cheap knock off imports too.
Oct 2nd 2015, 5:39 pm
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Re: Oregon incident.
But surely the fact that countries that have passed and enforced gun controls, laws and rules have seen reductions in mass shootings proves that it is in fact quite possible to enforce them given the will to do so.
Oct 2nd 2015, 5:40 pm
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Oct 2nd 2015, 6:01 pm
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Re: Oregon incident.
Oct 2nd 2015, 6:09 pm
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Re: Oregon incident.
Slightly off the point, but healthcare there is cheap - not free - and varies from one province to the next, with typically fairly lengthy waiting periods to see a specialist. So are people in the Great White North spending more time trying to see a doctor and thus having less free time to go around planning and doing the necessary to shoot up schools?
The USA is becoming embarrassing though, which is a great shame for a country that really genuinely does have a great deal to like about it. All these conservatives though, what exactly do they want to 'conserve'? This? This country where apparently the risk of being mowed down by gunfire as you go about your daily business is an acceptable side-effect of someone you don't know being allowed to stroke and fondle their guns? This country where so many people can't even afford to eat or feed their children, but that's OK because freeloaders, etc? This country where education levels are a humiliating low compared to other nations? Where ignorance is encouraged and intellectualism is something to fear?
Oct 2nd 2015, 6:11 pm
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Re: Oregon incident.
I love the"but if it saves one life" argument. Just think, we could save around 40,000 lives a year if we banned cars - that's a cool million people in 25 years, not to mention the maimed. FBI crime statistics report that 679 murders were committed in this country in 2011 by perps using hands and/or feet...
Oct 2nd 2015, 6:12 pm
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Re: Oregon incident.
It wasn't a serious comment. But the fact remains, healthcare is a joke down here (like so many other things) and it is in general, from what I understand, pretty well run up there. A better quality of life and general wellbeing may, all joking aside, help to prevent mass killings of this kind.
The USA is becoming embarrassing though, which is a great shame for a country that really genuinely does have a great deal to like about it. All these conservatives though, what exactly do they want to 'conserve'? This? This country where apparently the risk of being mowed down by gunfire as you go about your daily business is an acceptable side-effect of someone you don't know being allowed to stroke and fondle their guns? This country where so many people can't even afford to eat or feed their children, but that's OK because freeloaders, etc? This country where education levels are a humiliating low compared to other nations? Where ignorance is encouraged and intellectualism is something to fear?
The USA is becoming embarrassing though, which is a great shame for a country that really genuinely does have a great deal to like about it. All these conservatives though, what exactly do they want to 'conserve'? This? This country where apparently the risk of being mowed down by gunfire as you go about your daily business is an acceptable side-effect of someone you don't know being allowed to stroke and fondle their guns? This country where so many people can't even afford to eat or feed their children, but that's OK because freeloaders, etc? This country where education levels are a humiliating low compared to other nations? Where ignorance is encouraged and intellectualism is something to fear?
Oct 2nd 2015, 6:14 pm
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Re: Oregon incident.
1. Massively expensive liability insurance requirement to cover accidents/deaths and the uninsured.
Life in prison if your gun is used in an accidental killing or murder or is stolen. Should be popular, this country loves to stick people in prison.
Simple things like this would make it less appealing to own, but nothing there to stop you owning a gun and just because it might be a right to own, doesn't mean it has to be cheap....so get rid of cheap knock off imports too.
Life in prison if your gun is used in an accidental killing or murder or is stolen. Should be popular, this country loves to stick people in prison.
Simple things like this would make it less appealing to own, but nothing there to stop you owning a gun and just because it might be a right to own, doesn't mean it has to be cheap....so get rid of cheap knock off imports too.
2. Sounds Unconstitutional, Life in Prison if something you own is stolen? Presumably you want Life in Prison mandated for somebody stealing a gun, that would be a more logical first step.
3. Guns are not that complicated, sounds like you want gun ownership restricted to the 1 per centers?
Oct 2nd 2015, 6:15 pm
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Re: Oregon incident.
I love the"but if it saves one life" argument. Just think, we could save around 40,000 lives a year if we banned cars - that's a cool million people in 25 years, not to mention the maimed. FBI crime statistics report that 679 murders were committed in this country in 2011 by perps using hands and/or feet...
Oct 2nd 2015, 6:16 pm
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Re: Oregon incident.
I love the"but if it saves one life" argument. Just think, we could save around 40,000 lives a year if we banned cars - that's a cool million people in 25 years, not to mention the maimed. FBI crime statistics report that 679 murders were committed in this country in 2011 by perps using hands and/or feet...
Oct 2nd 2015, 6:16 pm
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