Florida shooting
#31
Re: Florida shooting
Do I know if I would be calm or confident? I would like to think confident, probably not calm, but no one knows in that moment.
One thing I do know is that it would take the law at least 10 minutes to respond to where I live (out in the sticks) and I am not prepared to wait that long for help. Sometimes you have to help yourself. It's not like I want to shoot someone, I really don't, but in a straight choice I choose my family over them.
#32
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Re: Florida shooting
Would I shoot on sight? No - because I know the law. Only when they become a threat would I use deadly force. They have the chance to retreat, or surrender. If they do not take that chance, or raise a firearm towards me, then yes I would respond with whatever force is required to neutralize the threat.
Do I know if I would be calm or confident? I would like to think confident, probably not calm, but no one knows in that moment.
One thing I do know is that it would take the law at least 10 minutes to respond to where I live (out in the sticks) and I am not prepared to wait that long for help. Sometimes you have to help yourself. It's not like I want to shoot someone, I really don't, but in a straight choice I choose my family over them.
Do I know if I would be calm or confident? I would like to think confident, probably not calm, but no one knows in that moment.
One thing I do know is that it would take the law at least 10 minutes to respond to where I live (out in the sticks) and I am not prepared to wait that long for help. Sometimes you have to help yourself. It's not like I want to shoot someone, I really don't, but in a straight choice I choose my family over them.
#33
Re: Florida shooting
Would I shoot on sight? No - because I know the law. Only when they become a threat would I use deadly force. They have the chance to retreat, or surrender. If they do not take that chance, or raise a firearm towards me, then yes I would respond with whatever force is required to neutralize the threat.
Do I know if I would be calm or confident? I would like to think confident, probably not calm, but no one knows in that moment.
One thing I do know is that it would take the law at least 10 minutes to respond to where I live (out in the sticks) and I am not prepared to wait that long for help. Sometimes you have to help yourself. It's not like I want to shoot someone, I really don't, but in a straight choice I choose my family over them.
Do I know if I would be calm or confident? I would like to think confident, probably not calm, but no one knows in that moment.
One thing I do know is that it would take the law at least 10 minutes to respond to where I live (out in the sticks) and I am not prepared to wait that long for help. Sometimes you have to help yourself. It's not like I want to shoot someone, I really don't, but in a straight choice I choose my family over them.
#34
Re: Florida shooting
I think for most atheists it's a case "arbitrarily close to zero". Certainly any with science training would accept that there is always a possibility (of some kind of cosmological phenomena akin to a god).
#35
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Re: Florida shooting
Would I shoot on sight? No - because I know the law. Only when they become a threat would I use deadly force. They have the chance to retreat, or surrender. If they do not take that chance, or raise a firearm towards me, then yes I would respond with whatever force is required to neutralize the threat.
Do I know if I would be calm or confident? I would like to think confident, probably not calm, but no one knows in that moment.
One thing I do know is that it would take the law at least 10 minutes to respond to where I live (out in the sticks) and I am not prepared to wait that long for help. Sometimes you have to help yourself. It's not like I want to shoot someone, I really don't, but in a straight choice I choose my family over them.
Do I know if I would be calm or confident? I would like to think confident, probably not calm, but no one knows in that moment.
One thing I do know is that it would take the law at least 10 minutes to respond to where I live (out in the sticks) and I am not prepared to wait that long for help. Sometimes you have to help yourself. It's not like I want to shoot someone, I really don't, but in a straight choice I choose my family over them.
Of course, if you get a 'professional' burglar who is armed and prepared, you're likely ****ed whether you have a gun or not. But adequate home security (and not doing things like posting your vacation dates online, etc) will force those people to break into someone else's house instead.
#36
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Re: Florida shooting
I have yet to hear about a crazy kid entering a school in the UK and stabbing 17 children. This country need real gun control FFS, no amount of excuses will change that.
#38
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Re: Florida shooting
It was probably way too flippant given the subject matter at hand here, but the objective is to scare them off in any way I can. Over the top gestures can be quite effective in causing a home invader to become someone else's problem. And if he happens to fall down the stairs on the way out and I end up sitting on them while the police get there - well that's just a shame, isn't it?
#39
Re: Florida shooting
I remember my parents once thought there was someone in our house in London. My father went to look for them in his pajamas, holding one of his golf clubs
#40
Re: Florida shooting
Most atheists I know don't try to, as Boiler put it "disprove the possibility" As they know it is impossible to disprove that possibility, just like Russell's teapot. They just lack the belief in any god.
#41
Re: Florida shooting
Most break-ins are done by opportunists. Simply chambering a round or presenting the gun would likely be enough to cause them to run off. If, in the unlikely event someone breaks in, you'd very likely not have to actually fire the gun, which is obviously the desired outcome. I don't feel I have a need for one myself unless I decide to get into target shooting, but whatever. I do have a solid cast-iron frying pan and I'm not averse to running at a home invader semi or fully nude to scare them off.
Of course, if you get a 'professional' burglar who is armed and prepared, you're likely ****ed whether you have a gun or not. But adequate home security (and not doing things like posting your vacation dates online, etc) will force those people to break into someone else's house instead.
Of course, if you get a 'professional' burglar who is armed and prepared, you're likely ****ed whether you have a gun or not. But adequate home security (and not doing things like posting your vacation dates online, etc) will force those people to break into someone else's house instead.
If the action of pumping the shotgun (which isn't going to be that useful since there's a shell in the chamber and it'll just eject it, but I digress) is enough to scare the person off then that $400 investment just paid off.
#43
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Re: Florida shooting
My strategy is to make my house as undesirable as possible to break into. Therefore, I don't flash around any of my expensive gear - the car gets loaded and unloaded inside the garage with the door shut. When we get a new TV, etc, I break down the boxes and put them in the recycling, rather than setting them out for collection. It's worked well this far and if it fails, well, I have my frying pan.
#44
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Re: Florida shooting
I don't disagree with any of the points you make to be honest. The likelihood, out here in the boonies, of being broken into is remote to say the least. Better have and not need, then need and not have though.
If the action of pumping the shotgun (which isn't going to be that useful since there's a shell in the chamber and it'll just eject it, but I digress) is enough to scare the person off then that $400 investment just paid off.
If the action of pumping the shotgun (which isn't going to be that useful since there's a shell in the chamber and it'll just eject it, but I digress) is enough to scare the person off then that $400 investment just paid off.