View Poll Results: Does an unlawfully present person have the right to keep and bear arms?
Yes.
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28.57%
No.
20
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Do people unlawfully present have a right to keep and bear arms?
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What the others have said. Those present in the US illegally do not have Constitutional rights, which apply to US Citizens present in the US.
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in the Constitution saying people who are not Americans or legal residents have such rights, or any Constitutional rights for that matter.
In the end as you well point out not simple since there are 50 states each with their own laws, as well as county and city laws. Amazing one can by a semi-automatic rifle but not drink a beer, the logic s mind-boggling.
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Re: Do people unlawfully present have a right to keep and bear arms?
How many people have actually read the second amendment ? I have not but my very knowledgeable stepson informs me that it states that members of a militia have the right to bear arms, not the average citizen, however that average citizen may own a hunting rifle. No person who is not a member of a militia has the given right to own a semi automatic weapon.
The law has been widely miss conceived over many years.
Just saying what I have been informed and not looking for an argument
The law has been widely miss conceived over many years.
Just saying what I have been informed and not looking for an argument
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How many people have actually read the second amendment ? I have not but my very knowledgeable stepson informs me that it states that members of a militia have the right to bear arms, not the average citizen, however that average citizen may own a hunting rifle. No person who is not a member of a militia has the given right to own a semi automatic weapon.
The law has been widely miss conceived over many years.
Just saying what I have been informed and not looking for an argument
The law has been widely miss conceived over many years.
Just saying what I have been informed and not looking for an argument
It's about a third the length of your post. So here you go, have fun interpreting this...
'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'
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Does not take very long to read it, I assumed most people were familiar with it.
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How many people have actually read the second amendment ? I have not but my very knowledgeable stepson informs me that it states that members of a militia have the right to bear arms, not the average citizen, however that average citizen may own a hunting rifle. No person who is not a member of a militia has the given right to own a semi automatic weapon.
The law has been widely miss conceived over many years.
Just saying what I have been informed and not looking for an argument
The law has been widely miss conceived over many years.
Just saying what I have been informed and not looking for an argument
I do not know enough about Court decisions to know if laws are "miss conceived" though I have often wondered why the reference to militia seems downplayed, and also why simply a license shouldn't be required to own semi-automatic or automatic weapons.
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It used to be in American high schools that students learnt about the Constitution in Civics class if not US History, considering the state of American education I would assume less knowledge about the Constitution than in prior decades.
I do not know enough about Court decisions to know if laws are "miss conceived" though I have often wondered why the reference to militia seems downplayed, and also why simply a license shouldn't be required to own semi-automatic or automatic weapons.
I do not know enough about Court decisions to know if laws are "miss conceived" though I have often wondered why the reference to militia seems downplayed, and also why simply a license shouldn't be required to own semi-automatic or automatic weapons.
Of NFA firearms (silencers, machine guns, short barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns, any other weapon (AOW) and destructive devices) machineguns are the most restricted. Since 19 May 1986, no new machineguns can be registered for private ownership. The AOW transfer tax is $5 making them the least restricted, but all other NFA rules apply.
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The ownership of Title II weapons is not illegal, but is heavily regulated at both the State and Federal level.[25] Numerous federal restrictions are imposed on the ownership of NFA firearms, including an extensive background check, a $200 tax on manufacture or transfer of an NFA firearm, and registration with the NFA registry. Generally, for the manufacture of NFA items, ATF Form 5320-1 must be submitted to the ATF. For the transfer of a NFA item (from a person or entity lawfully entitled to transfer it (Class 3 dealer) to yourself, or an entity (Gun Trust or LLC) then the ATF Form 5320-4 must be submitted to the ATF. There is a lower, $5 transfer tax for weapons that fit in the definition of "Any Other Weapon" (AOW). Any violation of the NFA is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and up to 10 years in prison,[4] and any firearm involved is forfeit.[26]
Of NFA firearms (silencers, machine guns, short barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns, any other weapon (AOW) and destructive devices) machineguns are the most restricted. Since 19 May 1986, no new machineguns can be registered for private ownership. The AOW transfer tax is $5 making them the least restricted, but all other NFA rules apply.
Of NFA firearms (silencers, machine guns, short barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns, any other weapon (AOW) and destructive devices) machineguns are the most restricted. Since 19 May 1986, no new machineguns can be registered for private ownership. The AOW transfer tax is $5 making them the least restricted, but all other NFA rules apply.
It would seem to me having a license to own firearms combined with more extensive background checks might be an improvement though certainly would need other measures to somewhat reduce the problem- I lived in 3 states in America, the more restrictive the gun laws didn't correlate to less gun violence in fact as Chicago and Baltimore have shown quite the opposite.
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Who says guns are dangerous?