mrken30

However, the people have voted, so we get what we get. Maybe it can be fixed next time around. Unfortunately, I believe it takes less time to tear these deals apart than it does to create them.

Pulaski

If we need "guest workers" in the US then we need a visa program for that. Just letting millions of unscreened, unmonitored illegal immigrants to remain just because that is how its been done for decades is pretty stupid. As a legal immigrant myself I strongly object to others being allowed to wander into the US without having gone through the financial, criminal background, and medical checks that I had to pay for through the visa process.

lansbury

When I first arrived here I applied for a job at Safeway. I didn't get it because the last time I had worked for them I had apparently been asked to leave for wrong doing. The fact my SSN was only 2 weeks old and I had spent the previous 58 years in the UK made no difference. Good security job which I didn't get because someone had been using an illegal SSN which was then issued. All Safeway looked at was a record against a SSN.

Illegals of course don't do anyone any harm and are useful to society.

dc koop

Jeezuz H ! For once I find myself completely in agreement with you

scrubbedexpat099

After being deported in 2007, he was arrested twice in Denver. Then, police say he killed a woman. – The Denver Post

Could be worse, and people wonder why an idiot like Trump won.

mrken30

I agree, but many visa programs get abused by unscrupulous employers. Changing systems over night instead of phasing them in tend to just create chaos. I controlled implementation would have been a better approach.

Maybe the SSN system is at fault, maybe they need a more secure system if people can easily create fake SSNs.

I would rather take the option of coming from a stable country and paying my way through the visa process than fearing for mine and my family's life and running away from a persecuting regime. I have met a few Romanians that came here during the Ceaușescu era.

mrken30

I agree , the US has enough of it's own criminals without importing more. This is no Australia.

morpeth

I saw many similar things in California when I worked here. In those days if there was a mismatch between name and social security number, it would take at least 2 years for social security administration to send a letter our payroll department.

I often wondered though whether many people getting more social security than otherwise because there are credits on their record form other using their social security number.

Then there is the IRS positon which seems tobe they could care less whether person has right to work or is legally in country, as long as they file a tax return and pay taxes, seems IRS doesn't share information with other agencies too much.

mrken30

Again it sound like the system is at fault. We should fix the system instead of having mass round ups of illegals. Will we be wearing armbands to show our immigration status is make it easier to round up illegals?

morpeth

The other trick is backdoor use of corporate tax id's. It is even easier to get a corporate tax ID number than a social security number ( can take maybe 10 minutes with almost no checks).

I am not sure how e-verify system is working for larger companies, but it just seems that the use of fake social security numbers is fairly easy to do.

mrken30

They could at a minimum use a system that has a checksum in the number. As far as I know SSNs are just sequential numbers. Also recently I did notice that SSNs were available to view under certain situations on Ancestry.com

Also if a person came over when very young, is it possible they were issued a SSN at age 16 or 18 , but not have legal residency?

mrken30

Next watch people start complaining about the decline in their home prices.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-s-home-prices

Pulaski

Discussing what "would have been easier" or "should have been done" is a complete and utter waste of time. Have at it, if you like, but leave me out of the discussion!

morpeth

While I do believe it is normal that a country controls its own border, I had assumed Trumps' comments giving impression that majority or even significant percentage of those who are undocumented were criminals was quite out of line, and definitely not supported by my own personal observations.

I am quite surprised though at one comment accessed through that link- that Obama deported 2.7 million in 8 years, and that the "majority" were criminals- and in same article states there are 11 million undocumented immigrants. 2.7 million seems like a huge number. I don't know current statistics but I remember some years ago reading that 1,000 a night got across the border successfully. So if that figure correct, and if the majority were criminals, would this support the thrust of Trump's assertions ?

dj6372

The gossip on the floor is the 2 people who 'left' had got legal paperwork, one of them via the amnesty, they then sold said paperwork and continued with their fake/dodgy/stolen SSN!!
I guess I'm a middle class snob, it still astounds me to watch colleagues at work collecting soda cans, to take to the recycling to boost their wages.