DACA etc.
Jan 23rd 2018, 6:14 pm
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Re: DACA etc.
Christ, if that's your only takeaway from everything that happened in Montreal after the 70s (between the end of the FLQ and the sovereignty referendums, let's say, including the flight of corporate Canada to Ontario and the economic depression that caused) then you can take your bigotry and stick it up your ass.
So having given me the run down on Quebec's (including Montreal's) declining economic fortunes you think that it's logical that graffiti, trashing buildings, vandalizing phone booths and leaving used condoms lying around is a natural outcome of a society's financial situation? That's what you seem to be implying.
I grew up in a low income part of Sheffield but nobody went around turning the place into a borderline slum. In fact it was quite common to see housewives sweep their doorsteps every day, even scrub them and put on whitening and window curtains were washed three or four times a year
Don't lecture me on bigotry. It's all about culture vs ignorance and lack of decency and consideration As far as Haitians concerned let it be a case of "if the shoe fits"
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Jan 23rd 2018, 6:45 pm
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Re: DACA etc.
Nothing about parts of the US immigration system makes sense anyway. They accept asylum seekers from countries like Somalia, Pakistan and Afghanistan and more than just a few of them went off to sign up with ISIS and yet 800,000 dreamers from mainly Mexico could be deported en masse without any consideration of their academic achievements, what careers they might be training for and their future contributions to American society.
Why not deport those with criminal records and let the rest stay on and work towards citizenship. Trump could build his wall and everyone else go home happy
Why not deport those with criminal records and let the rest stay on and work towards citizenship. Trump could build his wall and everyone else go home happy
Jan 23rd 2018, 7:01 pm
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Re: DACA etc.
So having given me the run down on Quebec's (including Montreal's) declining economic fortunes you think that it's logical that graffiti, trashing buildings, vandalizing phone booths and leaving used condoms lying around is a natural outcome of a society's financial situation? That's what you seem to be implying.
I grew up in a low income part of Sheffield but nobody went around turning the place into a borderline slum. In fact it was quite common to see housewives sweep their doorsteps every day, even scrub them and put on whitening and window curtains were washed three or four times a year
Don't lecture me on bigotry. It's all about culture vs ignorance and lack of decency and consideration As far as Haitians concerned let it be a case of "if the shoe fits"
I grew up in a low income part of Sheffield but nobody went around turning the place into a borderline slum. In fact it was quite common to see housewives sweep their doorsteps every day, even scrub them and put on whitening and window curtains were washed three or four times a year
Don't lecture me on bigotry. It's all about culture vs ignorance and lack of decency and consideration As far as Haitians concerned let it be a case of "if the shoe fits"
Jan 23rd 2018, 7:05 pm
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Re: DACA etc.
You know, I could be persuaded to listen to the argument about a more restricted family-based immigration (I'm not going to accept the misused form of the term "chain migration"), I might even listen to arguments against the diversity lottery.
But, I don't want to hear any of it until somebody honestly addresses the Americans that employ illegal immigrants with no consequences. We wouldn't have these DACA kids if their moms and dads hadn't been enticed to enter the US with promises of jobs.
Until we punish, shame and terrorize the American criminals with the same veracity --- I call bullshit on the hypocrisy of this whole theatrical mess.
But, I don't want to hear any of it until somebody honestly addresses the Americans that employ illegal immigrants with no consequences. We wouldn't have these DACA kids if their moms and dads hadn't been enticed to enter the US with promises of jobs.
Until we punish, shame and terrorize the American criminals with the same veracity --- I call bullshit on the hypocrisy of this whole theatrical mess.
Yeah well here's a reality check. Those employers who hire undocumented workers all decide one day to fire them and try to replace them with citizens or legal residents . So here's the sticking point. None of them would want the jobs with low pay that the undocumented do.
Jan 23rd 2018, 7:05 pm
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Re: DACA etc.
So having given me the run down on Quebec's (including Montreal's) declining economic fortunes you think that it's logical that graffiti, trashing buildings, vandalizing phone booths and leaving used condoms lying around is a natural outcome of a society's financial situation? That's what you seem to be implying.
I grew up in a low income part of Sheffield but nobody went around turning the place into a borderline slum. In fact it was quite common to see housewives sweep their doorsteps every day, even scrub them and put on whitening and window curtains were washed three or four times a year
Don't lecture me on bigotry. It's all about culture vs ignorance and lack of decency and consideration As far as Haitians concerned let it be a case of "if the shoe fits"
I grew up in a low income part of Sheffield but nobody went around turning the place into a borderline slum. In fact it was quite common to see housewives sweep their doorsteps every day, even scrub them and put on whitening and window curtains were washed three or four times a year
Don't lecture me on bigotry. It's all about culture vs ignorance and lack of decency and consideration As far as Haitians concerned let it be a case of "if the shoe fits"
There is culture and ignorance on display here right enough...
Jan 23rd 2018, 7:38 pm
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Re: DACA etc.
In fact, I have lived in and enjoyed all sorts of places and circumstances about which you would probably deliver such denigratory, sweeping, and uninformed statements.
Jan 23rd 2018, 7:40 pm
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Re: DACA etc.
Yeah well here's a reality check. Those employers who hire undocumented workers all decide one day to fire them and try to replace them with citizens or legal residents . So here's the sticking point. None of them would want the jobs with low pay that the undocumented do.
Last edited by Leslie; Jan 23rd 2018 at 7:57 pm.
Jan 23rd 2018, 8:54 pm
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Re: DACA etc.
You know, I could be persuaded to listen to the argument about a more restricted family-based immigration (I'm not going to accept the misused form of the term "chain migration"), I might even listen to arguments against the diversity lottery.
But, I don't want to hear any of it until somebody honestly addresses the Americans that employ illegal immigrants with no consequences. We wouldn't have these DACA kids if their moms and dads hadn't been enticed to enter the US with promises of jobs.
Until we punish, shame and terrorize the American criminals with the same veracity --- I call bullshit on the hypocrisy of this whole theatrical mess.
But, I don't want to hear any of it until somebody honestly addresses the Americans that employ illegal immigrants with no consequences. We wouldn't have these DACA kids if their moms and dads hadn't been enticed to enter the US with promises of jobs.
Until we punish, shame and terrorize the American criminals with the same veracity --- I call bullshit on the hypocrisy of this whole theatrical mess.