Canada fears a huge rush of asylum seekers if their U.S. protected status is lifted
Nov 14th 2017, 9:42 pm
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Re: Canada fears a huge rush of asylum seekers if their U.S. protected status is lift
Canada's policy hasn't changed. Nor, largely, has the attitude of Canadians towards asylum claimants and refugees.
Due to the "safe third country" agreement between the US and Canada, it is not possible for travellers entering Canada at official border crossings to claim asylum when entering from the US. However, if they enter the country without troubling the border guards at official ports of entry, they can make a claim for asylum when they inevitably end up in front of the local constabulary. It is this discrepancy that has led to so many people crossing the border out in the countryside.
Of course, what is largely driving the traffic is the rumours, threats and half-truths being propagated by the current US administration and its media proxies, that protected status is about to be removed from several classes of people currently enjoying that status in the US. Not all of them, by any means, will be successful in their claims for refugee status in Canada. But it seems reasonable that they be allowed to make one if they do get across the border, since it's fairly plain they're no longer welcome in the US.
Due to the "safe third country" agreement between the US and Canada, it is not possible for travellers entering Canada at official border crossings to claim asylum when entering from the US. However, if they enter the country without troubling the border guards at official ports of entry, they can make a claim for asylum when they inevitably end up in front of the local constabulary. It is this discrepancy that has led to so many people crossing the border out in the countryside.
Of course, what is largely driving the traffic is the rumours, threats and half-truths being propagated by the current US administration and its media proxies, that protected status is about to be removed from several classes of people currently enjoying that status in the US. Not all of them, by any means, will be successful in their claims for refugee status in Canada. But it seems reasonable that they be allowed to make one if they do get across the border, since it's fairly plain they're no longer welcome in the US.
Nov 15th 2017, 5:14 am
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Re: Canada fears a huge rush of asylum seekers if their U.S. protected status is lift
asylum seekers crossing into Canada from the US has been a major issue this year, especially in Quebec where the vast majority of people are crossing.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...in-august.html
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...in-august.html
Seems odd countries to be coming from.
Nov 15th 2017, 6:02 pm
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Re: Canada fears a huge rush of asylum seekers if their U.S. protected status is lift
Only there aren't a lot of jobs in Canada for people from third world countries unless they hold a university degree and can speak English and French.
The number of fast food outlets, motels etc which employ these people in low paying jobs must be considerably less in number taking into account that Canada's population is a fraction of that of the US
The number of fast food outlets, motels etc which employ these people in low paying jobs must be considerably less in number taking into account that Canada's population is a fraction of that of the US
Nov 15th 2017, 6:06 pm
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Re: Canada fears a huge rush of asylum seekers if their U.S. protected status is lift
If they're going out of their way not to cross at an official border crossing (which is what I meant by "not troubling ... official ports of entry" - perhaps I wasn't clear), I don't suppose the question of whether or not they have a visa will be uppermost in their minds.
Nov 15th 2017, 9:28 pm
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Re: Canada fears a huge rush of asylum seekers if their U.S. protected status is lift
Lets dispel a few myths.
A person can make a refugee claim at a Port Of Entry providing they fall in one of the exemptions of The Safe Third Country as found in this link
Processing in-Canada claims for protection: The Safe Third Country Agreement
As the vast majority would not fall under these exemptions then they cross between Ports Of Entry via fields, rivers or whatever. Many don't have any travel documents which is irrelevant anyway as once they have crossed they are now deemed to be in Canada and therefore can make a claim without the STCA coming into force.
If ineligible to make a claim and they have legal status in the USA then they can be sent back.
Each case is heard on its own merits although claimants from several countries are fast tracked without the need for a formal hearing before an Immigration & Refugee Board member.
There is a fairly big backlog and its now about 6 months before a hearing will be heard. Even if a negative decision they can appeal the decision which will add more time. Even after the appeal and unless a serious criminal or security risk Canada has a Temporary suspension of removals to certain countries and an Administrative Deferral of removals to another group of countries.
Now as much as you might hate Trump he is getting many to self remove to Canada who cannot be returned to the USA so they will face removal to their home country where applicable which is saving the US Govt lots of dollars.
The DACA persons will be interesting as lots have been educated in the USA and speak English so will be an asset to Canada as many are highly educated and very employable or budding Entrepreneurs which could be America's loss in the end.
From my perspective its job security for me
A person can make a refugee claim at a Port Of Entry providing they fall in one of the exemptions of The Safe Third Country as found in this link
Processing in-Canada claims for protection: The Safe Third Country Agreement
As the vast majority would not fall under these exemptions then they cross between Ports Of Entry via fields, rivers or whatever. Many don't have any travel documents which is irrelevant anyway as once they have crossed they are now deemed to be in Canada and therefore can make a claim without the STCA coming into force.
If ineligible to make a claim and they have legal status in the USA then they can be sent back.
Each case is heard on its own merits although claimants from several countries are fast tracked without the need for a formal hearing before an Immigration & Refugee Board member.
There is a fairly big backlog and its now about 6 months before a hearing will be heard. Even if a negative decision they can appeal the decision which will add more time. Even after the appeal and unless a serious criminal or security risk Canada has a Temporary suspension of removals to certain countries and an Administrative Deferral of removals to another group of countries.
Now as much as you might hate Trump he is getting many to self remove to Canada who cannot be returned to the USA so they will face removal to their home country where applicable which is saving the US Govt lots of dollars.
The DACA persons will be interesting as lots have been educated in the USA and speak English so will be an asset to Canada as many are highly educated and very employable or budding Entrepreneurs which could be America's loss in the end.
From my perspective its job security for me
Nov 15th 2017, 10:18 pm
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Re: Canada fears a huge rush of asylum seekers if their U.S. protected status is lift
If they're going out of their way not to cross at an official border crossing (which is what I meant by "not troubling ... official ports of entry" - perhaps I wasn't clear), I don't suppose the question of whether or not they have a visa will be uppermost in their minds.
Nov 15th 2017, 10:50 pm
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Re: Canada fears a huge rush of asylum seekers if their U.S. protected status is lift
Thank you, it's like nobody reads the news. To add, I believe Canada's sent some information officers down south to debunk false rumours about how easy it is to stay in Canada, so as to hopefully discourage some of them.
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Nov 15th 2017, 11:20 pm
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Re: Canada fears a huge rush of asylum seekers if their U.S. protected status is lift
How many have been deported?
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Nov 15th 2017, 11:27 pm
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Re: Canada fears a huge rush of asylum seekers if their U.S. protected status is lift
Unless settling in Quebec or another French speaking region there is no need to know French, especially out west.
In some regions such as Vancouver fast food and other low skill jobs are hard to fill, not enough people to fill them all and high turn over.
My employer starts at 16/hr and we can't staff fully, and we have a lot of immigrants working here and other companies as the airport.
Not sure where you get your info from buts it's not really correct.
In some regions such as Vancouver fast food and other low skill jobs are hard to fill, not enough people to fill them all and high turn over.
My employer starts at 16/hr and we can't staff fully, and we have a lot of immigrants working here and other companies as the airport.
Not sure where you get your info from buts it's not really correct.
Only there aren't a lot of jobs in Canada for people from third world countries unless they hold a university degree and can speak English and French.
The number of fast food outlets, motels etc which employ these people in low paying jobs must be considerably less in number taking into account that Canada's population is a fraction of that of the US
The number of fast food outlets, motels etc which employ these people in low paying jobs must be considerably less in number taking into account that Canada's population is a fraction of that of the US
Nov 15th 2017, 11:29 pm
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Re: Canada fears a huge rush of asylum seekers if their U.S. protected status is lift
I found I just need enough French to crucify the language and make the remember they can speak better English.
Nov 16th 2017, 12:40 am
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Re: Canada fears a huge rush of asylum seekers if their U.S. protected status is lift
That is something you would have to ask the Minister Mr Goodale. Due to the varying differences of countries the refugees are coming from its not in the interests of the Govt to give you a detailed number and who has exactly been removed. Lots are under Departure Orders, Exclusion Orders or Deportation Orders and it will be quite some time before the numbers are known. The priority ones for removals are those inadmissible for security, Human or International Rights violations, serious criminality or organized crime members.
Lets just say some of these countries are very slow in issuing travel documents or emergency travel letters to the Canadian Government to expedite their removal.
Lets just say some of these countries are very slow in issuing travel documents or emergency travel letters to the Canadian Government to expedite their removal.
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Nov 16th 2017, 12:46 am
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Re: Canada fears a huge rush of asylum seekers if their U.S. protected status is lift
That is something you would have to ask the Minister Mr Goodale. Due to the varying differences of countries the refugees are coming from its not in the interests of the Govt to give you a detailed number and who has exactly been removed. Lots are under Departure Orders, Exclusion Orders or Deportation Orders and it will be quite some time before the numbers are known. The priority ones for removals are those inadmissible for security, Human or International Rights violations, serious criminality or organized crime members.
Lets just say some of these countries are very slow in issuing travel documents or emergency travel letters to the Canadian Government to expedite their removal.
Lets just say some of these countries are very slow in issuing travel documents or emergency travel letters to the Canadian Government to expedite their removal.
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Nov 16th 2017, 2:46 am
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Re: Canada fears a huge rush of asylum seekers if their U.S. protected status is lift
Check your quoting please. It's not hard. 
Nov 16th 2017, 2:48 am
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Or even easier just do not quote.