Leslie

Yes, I wish Jesus would resurrect himself and run for president but until that happens --- there are plenty of able bodied humans, who have run for president in recent history, that are infinitely more competent than Trump. Unfortunately, too many people are still susceptible to manipulation and tired old carnival tricks.

tom169

Or they're just sick of the Dems and didn't want any more them - knowing full well that Hilary Clinton was just Obama on steroids.

Leslie

I was talking about Republicans. I would think that was painfully obvious.

But, since you mentioned it, Hillary won the popular vote and Obama is still twice as popular as your guy.

tom169

I'm fairly sure that if Trump focused on winning the popular vote he could have. However, he played the system as it is implemented today. Quite smart.

As for being "my guy"... He isn't. I can't vote.

Bob

Depends who you ask I suppose.

robin1234

I'm not sure about that, because that argument cuts both ways. Just as Trump may have garnered more votes in NY and California if he'd pumped money in there, so could Clinton if she'd put the effort in in Texas and other states she knew she would lose...

Leslie

And he, and his campaign staff, colluded with the Russians to hack the DNC and drop (drip) damaging information about Clinton whenever Trump's campaign was faltering. Quite smart. So "smart" he's being investigated by the FBI. I'm not as smart as Trump but, somehow, I've managed to get through life without being under federal investigation.

tom169

Oh, the old Russian chestnut. Seems that it's all the Dems have going for them right now. The party is in a worse state than Labour is in the UK.

As for investigations by the FBI... Well, we know that Hillary has had her troubles with them. And hacking... Perhaps without that she wouldn't have won the primary.

Bernie for President!

Leslie

It's not an old chestnut. It's an ongoing investigation which many Republicans support and are pushing very hard to see through to its end.

The Democrats are not in any worse shape than your party. Your party, with a presidential rubber stamp as well as a majority in both houses, just managed to shit the bed with healthcare. Unbelievable.

It's irrelevant to talk about Hillary or Bernie though --- neither one of them is president. This was Trump's healthcare bill and that's what the thread is about ... his complete failure as a president.

scrubbedexpat099

That I would have to disagree with, anyway Footie on the TV soon, England qualifier.

tom169

Personally, I wish the Republicans would focus the efforts to fix the catastrophically broken healthcare situation and leave things to the FBI.

Democrats are in a worse shape. News flash: They lost the presidential election! They sucked hard during the election against a candidate that they should have... trumped! Oh well, their fault.

As for the Republicans... it's certainly embarrassing that they didn't get the bill through. They need to get things in order and I'm not going to defend them there.

The Republicans aren't my party. I am not a US citizen or affiliated with any party.

I'm glad neither of them are present.

Leslie

I'm sure you do.



OMG the Democrats lost??? I had no idea. I'm glad you cleared that up for me. I feel so silly.

If they're not your party, why are you embarrassed? This is a strange thing that happens with Trump supporters. They defend him incessantly yet won't admit they support him. Very strange.

Saying that you don't support Trump because of your immigration status (while frequently posting your obvious support on BE) doesn't actually work. If you or your immediate family live, work, pay taxes and physically exist in the US, then you are part of the process. Voting is just one part of it, many people cast a vote that doesn't even count because of where they live. Civic activity isn't forbidden simply because you can't yet vote. The only thing prohibiting you from supporting, or affiliating with any party or candidate, would be your own apathy.


Okay.

kimilseung

You have said that more than once, but anyone living in the USA is a stakeholder, you dont need citizenship for that. You dont need to be affiliated nor have a vote to acknowledge the party that aligns with your interests or worldview. Your distancing from any party comes across as obfuscation, whether that is your intent or not.

tom169

Awesome! Now if only some more Dems can realize that.

I'm not personally embarrassed. I meant that in my opinion it's embarrassing for the party.

As for Trump supporters... They admitted support for him on the ballot paper and that's what matters. I believe the phrase is "silent majority."

To officially affiliate with a party you need to register to vote. To register to vote you need to be a US citizen.

However, I agree that I am a stakeholder as a US resident and that I also tend to side more with Republican ideologies.

Leslie

Totally awesome! I also love the whole "sore winner" vibe that you're rocking ... it's a great look.