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Old Sep 2nd 2017, 10:20 am   #46
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Fortunately, my Italian is limited to a few opera titles, wines and food items.
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And Sambuca - another excellent word.
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Old Sep 2nd 2017, 11:29 am   #49
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And Sambuca - another excellent word.
I'm rather fond of Pinot Grigio
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I'm rather fond of Pinot Grigio
You've got to watch those immigrant Italian wines though - there is an uncontrolled flood of Prosecco currently trying to overwhelm the UK. We seem to be unable to control our borders.
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You've got to watch those immigrant Italian wines though - there is an uncontrolled flood of Prosecco currently trying to overwhelm the UK. We seem to be unable to control our borders.
And to paraphrase the money quote in the OP,

"Western women do not like cheap sparkling wine but once the prosecco is inside them they really enjoy it".
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You've got to watch those immigrant Italian wines though - there is an uncontrolled flood of Prosecco currently trying to overwhelm the UK. We seem to be unable to control our borders.
Judging from some of the delusional narratives in this forum, I assumed prosecco (or other libation) must've already won that fight.
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You've got to watch those immigrant Italian wines though - there is an uncontrolled flood of Prosecco currently trying to overwhelm the UK. We seem to be unable to control our borders.
I am sure Mrs May will soon put a stop to that!
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And to paraphrase the money quote in the OP,

"Western women do not like cheap sparkling wine but once the prosecco is inside them they really enjoy it".
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Particularly when it suits your anti migrant agenda.
I have just returned from a week in Italy in the Naples area.
The streets were not overun with migrants, they were not coming ashore in their droves.
We did see a few , yes a few street vendors but no more than anywhere else in our travels around Europe.
I take it your statistics include any and all not born in Italy being classed as migrants including Brits.
If the statistics quoted are accurate, would that effect your point of view about whether the number of the refugees/migrants coming into Italy is a positive or negative thing for Italy ?
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If the statistics quoted are accurate, would that effect your point of view about whether the number of the refugees/migrants coming into Italy is a positive or negative thing for Italy ?
" IF " is a very big word.
In every modern society the number of recorded rapes and cases of sexual abuse has been rising ,high numbers or migrants or not high numbers if migrants.
Is the rising number of cases of recorded rape and sexual abuse a positive or negative thing for Italy or any country.
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" IF " is a very big word.
In every modern society the number of recorded rapes and cases of sexual abuse has been rising ,high numbers or migrants or not high numbers if migrants.
Is the rising number of cases of recorded rape and sexual abuse a positive or negative thing for Italy or any country.
My question was though, is there ever a point of where the crimes committed by the refugees/migrants in Europe as a percentage of the total would indicate to you that their arrival has been a negative? And why is it in almost every country there are consistent reports of the disproportionate amount of sex crimes are committed by migrants/refugees ?

Just read this morning about a gang of refugees/migrants going on a rape spree against tourists in a beach resort in Italy.

I appreciate your point of view from personal observation, but like your experience in Sweden hard to match up with news reports- or Europeans I know, none of whom deny the effect on crimes against women from the influx of refugees and migrants.
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My question was though, is there ever a point of where the crimes committed by the refugees/migrants in Europe as a percentage of the total would indicate to you that their arrival has been a negative? And why is it in almost every country there are consistent reports of the disproportionate amount of sex crimes are committed by migrants/refugees ?

Just read this morning about a gang of refugees/migrants going on a rape spree against tourists in a beach resort in Italy.

I appreciate your point of view from personal observation, but like your experience in Sweden hard to match up with news reports- or Europeans I know, none of whom deny the effect on crimes against women from the influx of refugees and migrants.
When the behaviour of the resident population no longer includes the same crimes as committed by arrivals of any status then we can have a serious discussion.
I read in the UK press of a gang rape committed by non refugees in Rome, why is the one you report any different.
Not sure what point you are trying to put across, although I do suspect there is one however obliquely you are trying to present it.
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When the behaviour of the resident population no longer includes the same crimes as committed by arrivals of any status then we can have a serious discussion.
I read in the UK press of a gang rape committed by non refugees in Rome, why is the one you report any different.
Not sure what point you are trying to put across, although I do suspect there is one however obliquely you are trying to present it.
My point I think you understand. Simply if refugees/migrants less than 10% of population in Italy but committing 40% of crimes, if the prior statistic quoted was accurate, would that make you believe that it has been a negative for Italy bringing the refugees and migrants ? Or would the figure instead of 40% need to be 70% ? I think reason for avoiding an answer is that it would mean considering seriously whether the influx into Italy has been a positive or negative, as opposed to having a fixed position as I understand yours to be, that it is a positive for Italy the influx of refugees/migrants.

I haven't been much to Italy in recent years, though have Italian friends who have spoken about the situation. News reports I have no way of judging how accurate in this era of "fake" news.

Or are you really saying if I understand your post, the percentage would need to rise to 100% before you would believe there was a problem with the refugees/migrants and the effect on crime ?
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My point I think you understand. Simply if refugees/migrants less than 10% of population in Italy but committing 40% of crimes, if the prior statistic quoted was accurate, would that make you believe that it has been a negative for Italy bringing the refugees and migrants ? Or would the figure instead of 40% need to be 70% ? I think reason for avoiding an answer is that it would mean considering seriously whether the influx into Italy has been a positive or negative, as opposed to having a fixed position as I understand yours to be, that it is a positive for Italy the influx of refugees/migrants.

I haven't been much to Italy in recent years, though have Italian friends who have spoken about the situation. News reports I have no way of judging how accurate in this era of "fake" news.

Or are you really saying if I understand your post, the percentage would need to rise to 100% before you would believe there was a problem with the refugees/migrants and the effect on crime ?
Migrants would be you and me if we moved to Italy.
What point are you trying to make.
Are you suggesting that there are just too many non Italians in Italy or in fact non natives in almost every country.
I do not take any notice of sensationalist news be it in the UK, Italy in fact anywhere.
If there were no migrants then 100% of crimes would be carried out by natives.
Those who publish it or refer to it usually have an agenda of their own.
Truth and tolerance are not usually a motive.

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