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Old Sep 11th 2017, 2:55 pm   #16
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I assume some sort of weird joke.
Not a weird joke, a hyperbolic point.

People should be able to live wherever they want in my opinion, but if one wants to get down to it, Mexicans have more of a right to live on the land that is called the United States of America than people of European descent do, since so many of the places that make America so wealthy, like Texas oil fields, California farmland, Silicon Valley, Hollywood or Las Vegas were Mexico, inhabited wholly by Native Americans and Mexicans (who are mostly native in heritage themsleves) until the yanks conquered that land.
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Yes, absolutely a joke.

It was a lot more than two states for a start. What is the poster thinking by limiting it to two

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You're right, it's well more than that, but what I was thinking is that while not having Arizona mightn't have made a big difference, without California and Texas, the United States would not be nearly as rich, as powerful or as influential, most of their resources, agriculture, technological and military innovation and their cultural products come from places that were and should be Mexico. Had they not conquered those places, Mexico would be one of the most important nations on earth and America would be as significant as Canada or less. The least they can do is allow the people that those places really belong to live there unmolested.
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I really can not be bothered, I blame the Schools.

History is quite fascinating, certainly worthy of study.
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I really can not be bothered, I blame the Schools.

History is quite fascinating, certainly worthy of study.
I blame the parents myself. And possibly that music people listen to now.
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You're right, it's well more than that, but what I was thinking is that while not having Arizona mightn't have made a big difference, without California and Texas, the United States would not be nearly as rich, as powerful or as influential, most of their resources, agriculture, technological and military innovation and their cultural products come from places that were and should be Mexico. Had they not conquered those places, Mexico would be one of the most important nations on earth and America would be as significant as Canada or less. The least they can do is allow the people that those places really belong to live there unmolested.
This country certainly built its wealth on the backs of others. But then, of course, so did the UK - it's just that the British empire was further afield than the new American one, so it's easier for us to forget how Britain's wealth was accumulated.

I don't think we are any worse than anyone else, having said that. Greed is a universal motivator.
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The US is never the aggressor. Therefore during 1847 United States troops invaded central Mexico and occupied the Mexican capital of Mexico City.

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America is a country that was literally built on foreigners coming in (often with nothing, and sometimes in bondage), and two of their most important states were literally stolen from Mexico, ethnically cleansed and resettled. It's hypocritical and frankly embarrassing for them to turn away foreigners. If anything, a Mexican in Los Angeles has more of a right to tell a person to go back to Europe than a white American has a right to tell him to go back to Mexico.
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This is funny.
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I blame the parents myself. And possibly that music people listen to now.
Don't forget the vidya games ...
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Blame GTA. Everyone else does.
I couldn't even do that ironically. San Andreas is life.
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America is a country that was literally built on foreigners coming in (often with nothing, and sometimes in bondage), and two of their most important states were literally stolen from Mexico, ethnically cleansed and resettled. It's hypocritical and frankly embarrassing for them to turn away foreigners. If anything, a Mexican in Los Angeles has more of a right to tell a person to go back to Europe than a white American has a right to tell him to go back to Mexico.
Before the Mexicans were the California Indians don't forget.

BTW I'd hate to live in a California still a province of Mexico if the current state of Mexico proper is anything to go by.
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The US is never the aggressor. Therefore during 1847 United States troops invaded central Mexico and occupied the Mexican capital of Mexico City.

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I blame the parents myself. And possibly that music people listen to now.
I blame gluten. I never exploit anybody when I'm gluten-free. Or is it meat? Shit.
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I blame gluten. I never exploit anybody when I'm gluten-free. Or is it meat? Shit.
I hadn't thought of gluten. You're probably right, it's gluten and gluten's buddy, lactose.

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