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Old Dec 8th 2015, 6:31 pm   #76
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Where are they suppose to be? Do gypsies live in reservations in Europe?
There aren't supposed to be any, they're a kind of concentration camp for non-whites that, AFAIK, only exist in North America and South Africa. Evidence of a kind of racism in those locations one doesn't see in Europe.

Gypsies don't live in reservations, they travel, hence being called travelers. It's a stretch to call them non-white, bronzed perhaps, Muslim coloured.
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Of course he is right wing.. Do you know what right vs left even means?? And yes he is pandering to xenaphobia but voters still considers him the lesser of two evils against the others frauds like Bush, Rubio and so on.
tbh, categorizing and analyzing the American political environment from a left-to-right perspective is not terribly helpful. It simply doesn't fit the reality. It all stems back from the differences in ideology between the French and the American revolutions. You can see it in the language of the Declaration of Independence, its classical liberal ideology.
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Oh come on. The yanks are completely obsessed by race, much more so than Brits. You just have to look at their news and other media output to see this.

Eastern europe is totally hardcore racist though - I'll give you that.
Well of course the media is obsessed with it. The media is there to talk about anything other than class based issues and real issues. Fomenting racial tensions and other divisions is a huge part of that. But that type of media is spreading to Europe as well as non-whites grow in population. The media is crap in US, fully deregulated and commercialized.
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There aren't supposed to be any, they're a kind of concentration camp for non-whites that, AFAIK, only exist in North America and South Africa. Evidence of a kind of racism in those locations one doesn't see in Europe.

Gypsies don't live in reservations, they travel, hence being called travelers. It's a stretch to call them non-white, bronzed perhaps, Muslim coloured.
There are no concentration camps in North America. There are reservations where natives Americans live but there is nothing stopping them to move and live anywhere. They are trying to preserve their old customs but that's hard.
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Look any serious scholar will tell you Europeans are far more to racist to non-whites than Americans. It's not worthy of a debate.
How many black people do European police shoot to death each year?
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Well of course the media is obsessed with it. The media is there to talk about anything other than class based issues and real issues. Fomenting racial tensions and other divisions is a huge part of that. But that type of media is spreading to Europe as well as non-whites grow in population. The media is crap in US, fully deregulated and commercialized.
Other than anecdotal evidence and stupid racist events list wars how are you going to judge how racist a country is? I would say that looking at what's acceptable in their politics and news media says a lot. For instance saying "ban all muslims" from entering the country would end any candidates hopes of election anywhere in western europe, whereas in the US it doesn't seem to have done any harm at all.
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tbh, categorizing and analyzing the American political environment from a left-to-right perspective is not terribly helpful. It simply doesn't fit the reality. It all stems back from the differences in ideology between the French and the American revolutions. You can see it in the language of the Declaration of Independence, its classical liberal ideology.
The republican and democratic parties in the US today are well to the right of center and especially the republicans. Meaning that they respond very little to the public and almost completely to ultra rich and what they want.
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The republican and democratic parties in the US today are well to the right of center and especially the republicans. Meaning that they respond very little to the public and almost completely to ultra rich and what they want.
To the centre of what? Wouldn't the centre be the middle ground between the two main parties?
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Other than anecdotal evidence and stupid racist events list wars how are you going to judge how racist a country is? I would say that looking at what's acceptable in their politics and news media says a lot. For instance saying "ban all muslims" from entering the country would end any candidates hopes of election anywhere in western europe, whereas in the US it doesn't seem to have done any harm at all.
But of course Trump has no hope. You should know that, republicans would never nominate him. Trump is understood to be a total charlatan, if Jeb bush said now you are talking a different ball game.

Are you sure about western European nations ending candidates if they said ban all Muslims from entering? I mean right wing anti-immigrant parties like UKIP and le pen in france and all sorts of right wing anti-immigrant parties have a much bigger following than Trump. Le pen just won the regional in France and she is WAY worse than Trump who is not even a serious politician and has no mass following. The leadership of Trump's parties the republicans ENDORSE unrestrained, unregulated immigration from all over the world to the US.
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If Trump wins the primaries not going with him would be a mistake on the parties side.

I know of Calif republican voters Bush comes in dead last of the main 3. Trump and Carson I think the name was are pretty close.

Now this is only dor republican voters as Democrats and others cant votw in the republican primary.


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If Trump is the Republican candidate, I think he's pretty sure to win. He'd be the only Republican candidate the Republican voters I know don't have to hold their nose to vote for since Reagan, and would see massive turnout if he's up against Clinton. Most of them didn't even bother to hold their nose in the last election, and just stayed home.

But the Republican elite will do everything they can to keep Trump out and nominate Bush instead. At which point Trump would have to go third party, where he'd still have a good chance to win against Clinton and Bush.

What he'd actually do if he got to the White House is another question, of course. Probably turn it into a hotel, and start another reality TV show.
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There are no concentration camps in North America. There are reservations where natives Americans live but there is nothing stopping them to move and live anywhere. They are trying to preserve their old customs but that's hard.
You haven't visited any, have you?
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How many black people do European police shoot to death each year?
Probably very few but 95% of blacks in the US are gunned down by other blacks in drug gang related turf wars.
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You haven't visited any, have you?
I don't think you understand the difference between a reservation and a concentration camp. yes many reservations are dirt poor but they are not concentration camps, that's what Europe had for jews in WW2..
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I agree many reservations are deplorable on both sides of the border although some nice ones do exist but anyhow there are natives who have no interest in leaving the reservations and would likely fight if the govt tried to do away with them.

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The republican and democratic parties in the US today are well to the right of center and especially the republicans. Meaning that they respond very little to the public and almost completely to ultra rich and what they want.
You sound like a European. Everything's relative. Obama's administration - and Clinton - would fall decidedly somewhat "right of center" around here. Bernie Sanders would fall somewhere slightly left of center. The republicans - well, inexplicable.

That makes Trump look like a Hitler on this side of the pond. Nobody really believes he could actually be elected. But his continuing poll numbers are worrisome to many.

Reflects more on the American psyche than the candidate. Electing Trump is probably the single best way to destroy all that's left of any remaining American credibility in the world. But Americans seem to have a different view. As they always have.
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