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Old Jun 18th 2015, 7:05 pm   #31
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That's one way of looking at it...but at the end of the day it's the candidate who has the most money who is almost guaranteed to win. I hope to gawd it doesn't turn out to be Clinton.
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Not sure what the UK amount is, but I think it is capped.
It is very strictly regulated - from the independent for the 2015 election campaign.
'£45.5m spent by individual candidates and national parties. Of this, the parties spent about £31.5m and the candidates about £14m. A further £3m was spent by registered third parties.'

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'Expenditure by parties and candidates is restricted during a general election campaign period. The campaign proper began on 30 March, but there is also a “long campaign” period of up to a year during which campaign spending is regulated as well. For political parties, this regulated period began on 23 May 2014; for non-party campaigners, it began on 19 September 2014; and for candidates began on 19 December 2014.

Candidates were allowed to spend up to £30,700 during the long campaign (plus 9p per elector for county constituencies and 6p per elector in borough constituencies). For the short campaign, a separate limit applies: £8,700 (plus 9p or 6p per elector).'
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It is very strictly regulated - from the independent for the 2015 election campaign.
'£45.5m spent by individual candidates and national parties. Of this, the parties spent about £31.5m and the candidates about £14m. A further £3m was spent by registered third parties.'

Also from the independent

'Expenditure by parties and candidates is restricted during a general election campaign period. The campaign proper began on 30 March, but there is also a “long campaign” period of up to a year during which campaign spending is regulated as well. For political parties, this regulated period began on 23 May 2014; for non-party campaigners, it began on 19 September 2014; and for candidates began on 19 December 2014.

Candidates were allowed to spend up to £30,700 during the long campaign (plus 9p per elector for county constituencies and 6p per elector in borough constituencies). For the short campaign, a separate limit applies: £8,700 (plus 9p or 6p per elector).'
Would that be £14MN for all candidates?
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Would that be £14MN for all candidates?
Yup, they lumped it altogether as one total for the parties so I assume so.

'Of the £31.5m spent by parties, £16.7m was spent by the Conservatives, £8 m by Labour, and £4.8m by the Liberal Democrats.'
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Jon Stewart did a pretty funny segment on the Daily Show the other week about the difference between the way the 2 countries run election campaigns.
Made the UK look like they are running for class president in comparison.
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Yup, they lumped it altogether as one total for the parties so I assume so.

'Of the £31.5m spent by parties, £16.7m was spent by the Conservatives, £8 m by Labour, and £4.8m by the Liberal Democrats.'
Oh, that's why Milliband lost so miserably.

And all this time time I reckoned it was the 2 years of running around screaming 'the sky is falling' and ringing the 'imminent collapse' bell even as the UK recovery rocketed past Europe and much of the rest of the world.

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So tonight he probably took a step too far. Or did he ?

Is he a Genius or a complete nut bar !!

Ban all Muslims from USA speech today

Donald Trump urges ban on Muslims coming to US - BBC News
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Is he a Genius or a complete nut bar !!

Ban all Muslims from USA speech today

Donald Trump urges ban on Muslims coming to US - BBC News
He is a bit nuts. He may very well win the republican nomination, but I doubt he could win the election in November against the democrat whoever it is.

If only there was a viable 3rd party to choose from.

The state I vote in has their primary in June, and by then the nominations will largely be known, California primary votes are of little value, but the general election California offers the single largest electoral votes, but largely still not an important state, and will almost always go to democrats.

If it's trump vs clinton, I may just vote for myself on the write in line.
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Old Dec 8th 2015, 5:27 am   #39
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Is he a Genius or a complete nut bar !!

Ban all Muslims from USA speech today

Donald Trump urges ban on Muslims coming to US - BBC News
Not a genius by any stretch. What is even more depressing than Trump's explicitly racist views (anti-Muslim, anti-Mexican, etc) is the popular support he is receiving by many Americans. it demonstrates the insularity, lack of education and religiosity that exists in some parts of America. Hopefully, this latest outburst will be the end of him.
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Not a genius by any stretch. What is even more depressing than Trump's explicitly racist views (anti-Muslim, anti-Mexican, etc) is the popular support he is receiving by many Americans. it demonstrates the insularity, lack of education and religiosity that exists in some parts of America. Hopefully, this latest outburst will be the end of him.
I thought the Mexican outburst would, they make up one of the largest voting groups. I'd like his current tirade to lose him support, but I think it will do the opposite as Muslims are a fairly small group of voters, and well lots of red neck hicks in the middle part of the country.


To my knowledge most states still have closed primaries, so only those registered as a republican will vote for the republicans, and only those registered democrat will vote for the democrats.

The real test is the real campaign later in the summer once the parties do their official nominations. If he makes it that far, I predict polls showing a huge drop off in support for Trump and well any republican.
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In today's world, forget the media crap, what do the American voting public want?

Looking at or comparing President Harry Truman to a Donald Trump.

Trumps trumpet. Folks love the drama.
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That's one way of looking at it...but at the end of the day it's the candidate who has the most money who is almost guaranteed to win. I hope to gawd it doesn't turn out to be Clinton.
In the UK spending is capped, there is a limit each party can spend, also a limit or each individual candidate, and this is carefully scrutinised, elected people can be disbared for spending too much, and the electoral commission look at all the figures after the election.
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My list of facebook friends is getting somewhat shorter, they are m\inly those that play the games I play, but far too many are coming up with stupid Trump rabble rousing, and anti Obama statements. When I see them I check as to whether the person is still playing any of the games I play, if not I unfriend them, 10 gone so far.
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Not a genius by any stretch. What is even more depressing than Trump's explicitly racist views (anti-Muslim, anti-Mexican, etc) is the popular support he is receiving by many Americans. it demonstrates the insularity, lack of education and religiosity that exists in some parts of America. Hopefully, this latest outburst will be the end of him.
I think this post is unreasonably anti-American, smug even. It seems to me that if some well known racist gobshite, John Terry for example, were to be given a similar platform in the UK to that Trump has in the US then he too would gain noisy support from a rabble.
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