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Old Nov 3rd 2016, 6:05 pm   #7846
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Maybe for you, but I missed this by a few hours fortunately, because i was delayed. Exactly 20 years ago. At the time we had closed borders with Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Docklands_bombing
I know the feeling I was sat right beside one in SA & it went off just a minute or two after I got up & walked around a corner & was shielded from the blast...... & it's an unforgettable but unpleasant experience......... but surely you'll agree that open borders/FOM makes such acts more likely because there's no check on anyone?
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The downtrodden will still be diwntrodden what ever happens.
Inflation is on the rise and expected to reach over 2.5 % , who will suffer, not you or me but the downtrodden.
Unemployment is expected to rise, who will suffer not you or me but the downtrodden.
The idea that brexit will benefit those at the bottom in the UK was the biggest con trick put forward by brexit.
I expect liam fox etc when challenged to emulate Marie Antoinette and say " let them eat Marmite " if they can afford it that is.
How do you know? We haven't Brexit'ed yet.
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Old Nov 3rd 2016, 6:08 pm   #7848
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How do you know? We haven't Brexit'ed yet.
Because the onion network news says so
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But the vote was merely a government-organised poll of people's opinions of a poorly-worded question.
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If you think it was poorly worded what question would you suggest should have been asked?

Not a piss take but I genuinely don't know of any better question than was asked under the circumstances.
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I know the feeling I was sat right beside one in SA & it went off just a minute or two after I got up & walked around a corner & was shielded from the blast...... & it's an unforgettable but unpleasant experience......... but surely you'll agree that open borders/FOM makes such acts more likely because there's no check on anyone?
History tells us otherwise, since the open borders, there have been less , if any bombings. As always history can not predict the future, but it has brought down the them and us barriers by not having walled borders.
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History tells us otherwise, since the open borders, there have been less , if any bombings. As always history can not predict the future, but it has brought down the them and us barriers by not having walled borders.
I am on your side with regards to a reasonable level of freedom of movement, but it's not quite accurate to use the Troubles as an example. What stopped the bombings were things like the IRA ceasefire, and the Belfast Agreement. The IRA, however they saw themselves, were in the main British citizens who were from Northern Ireland, and not the Republic. Whether or not the British-Irish border was open or closed wouldn't have made a difference.
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How do you know? We haven't Brexit'ed yet.
You must be the only person in the universe who believes that brexit will raise wages and living standards and not cause inflation, unemployment etc.
We are already paying the price for higher fuel , higher food prices and brexit has yet to happen..

I do admire your optimism unrealistic and fantastical as it is.

Those who benefit from brexit will be the same as who benefit from EU membership.
The commercial decision makers not those who help create their wealth.
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You must be the only person in the universe who believes that brexit will raise wages and living standards and not cause inflation, unemployment etc.
We are already paying the price for higher fuel , higher food prices and brexit has yet to happen..

I do admire your optimism unrealistic and fantastical as it is.

Those who benefit from brexit will be the same as who benefit from EU membership.
The commercial decision makers not those who help create their wealth.
Who?
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I know the feeling I was sat right beside one in SA & it went off just a minute or two after I got up & walked around a corner & was shielded from the blast...... & it's an unforgettable but unpleasant experience......... but surely you'll agree that open borders/FOM makes such acts more likely because there's no check on anyone?
Thats what happens when you chose to live in a white racist regime..
No foubt the widows of those who died in custody or the schoolchildren shot diwn in the townships feel for you.
Fortunately as a cotton wool brit you kept your UK passport so could do a runner unlike those with South African passports who do not have FOM and are subject to UK entry and visa rules.
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I am on your side with regards to a reasonable level of freedom of movement, but it's not quite accurate to use the Troubles as an example. What stopped the bombings were things like the IRA ceasefire, and the Belfast Agreement. The IRA, however they saw themselves, were in the main British citizens who were from Northern Ireland, and not the Republic. Whether or not the British-Irish border was open or closed wouldn't have made a difference.
That is true, but I think a lot more migration from Belfast to Dublin now. Also a lot more cross border shopping goes on. Previously I don't think this was as easy. People can work both sides of the border just as easily, making it more like one country. Wasn't being part of the EU relevant to that agreement?
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Thats what happens when you chose to live in a white racist regime..
No foubt the widows of those who died in custody or the schoolchildren shot diwn in the townships feel for you.
Fortunately as a cotton wool brit you kept your UK passport so could do a runner unlike those with South African passports who do not have FOM and are subject to UK entry and visa rules.
I thought he meant South Armagh
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History tells us otherwise, since the open borders, there have been less , if any bombings. As always history can not predict the future, but it has brought down the them and us barriers by not having walled borders.
I'm obviously not solely referring to IRA bombings but to terrorist attacks as a whole & although I haven't bothered to check figures, I'd bet a pound to a pinch of the smelly brown stuff that the incidence of terror attacks in the UK & indeed in member EU states is considerably higher now than it ever was when there was no FOM.
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That is true, but I think a lot more migration from Belfast to Dublin now. Also a lot more cross border shopping goes on. Previously I don't think this was as easy. People can work both sides of the border just as easily, making it more like one country. Wasn't being part of the EU relevant to that agreement?
You always could get across the border pretty easily. We went across a few times in the 80s and there were no passport checks or anything, just the army looking for bombs. But yes, these days you can go back and forth with ease and it has been beneficial on either side of the border.

I don't know if staying in the EU was part of the agreement, but as has been mentioned before by Dave, a hard Brexit will force installation of an enforced border between the UK and Ireland, which would be breaking part of that covenant.
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I'm obviously not solely referring to IRA bombings but to terrorist attacks as a whole & although I haven't bothered to check figures, I'd bet a pound to a pinch of the smelly brown stuff that the incidence of terror attacks in the UK & indeed in member EU states is considerably higher now than it ever was when there was no FOM.
You really should check you facts, the terror incidents in the UK since the end of the IRA campaign were carried out by British residents, none who had gained entry by freedom of movement..
Those in France and Belgium again mainly by citizens of those countries.

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So what specifics were laid out in the referendum about the exit that people voted on?

How will trade be handled?

How will immigration be handled?

How will 45 years of trade agreements be revised?

And on and on and on.

None of those things were decided in the referendum or even voted on.

Who do you think should decide them?


It just goes to prove once again how incredible naive and stupid the terms of the referendum were. either that or David Cameron felt so empowered and invincible that he just didn't bother to put in place any proviso's for the next step. There were enough examples throughout Europe of how to do it.

If Switzerland can hold in excess of 230 + referendums and work out a way to figure it out why in the name of all that's holy couldn't the UK.? Surely the possibility of a leave came up over tea and crumpets? It's still mind boggling arrogance . The fact that the high court has now said it's unlawful is too little too late.
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