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Old Oct 6th 2017, 3:52 pm   #22831
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Shard, it's supposed to be a very pro-EU avatar.
It looks like the flag is being ripped to pieces...which suggests that's what you support. But in your posts I think you are a Remainer...?
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Neither do I, and that's why he was asked.

The reasoning behind the question is that I used to be a Tory voter, but the course the party is taking re hard Brexit and its lurch into UKIP territory means I shall no longer vote for the Tory party in its current guise. My red line.

Just curious as to where Red Eric's red line is regards Corbyn and Brexit. Maybe it is as you suggest, that Corbyn's left wing domestic agenda overrides any external Eurosceptic policy even if it dovetails nicely with UKIP's.

Brexit/Remain isn't an either/or proposition any more. I don't know that there is a "red line". There are shades upon shades. Also, it is not, and probably should not be, the sole litmus test by which all politicians are measured. The ideas, issues and problems with which our next government will have to deal are complex and multi-faceted. It's appealing to reduce everything to single yes/no answers, but that is the very model that has not worked out well and most lent itself to the kind of thinking (and headlines) that drove the Leave vote to success - no detail, no annoyingly complex policy detail, no need to think, just react to simplistic ideas of "more jobs" or "fewer foreigners." Simplistic ideas like that are every propagandist's dream.
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Old Oct 6th 2017, 4:00 pm   #22833
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but surely Jezza is also aiming for a hard Brexit as the Single Market is insufficiently socialist for him so you'll probably have to vote for Vince next election - no?
Probably, as I had to resort to Flip-Flop Farron's lot for the last election.

Both main parties have been split on Europe for decades, to the serious detriment of UK politics IMO.

I still dream of a new centrist pro-EU party a la Macron rising like a phoenix, drawing upon Remainer MPs from the big two, a consensus of. e.g Umunna, Javid, Cooper, Khan, Starmer, Hammond, Grieve, Clarke, Miliband D and even Sober Soubry etc etc. If only.
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Old Oct 6th 2017, 4:03 pm   #22834
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It looks like the flag is being ripped to pieces...which suggests that's what you support. But in your posts I think you are a Remainer...?
Look closely and it's the British Isles that's ripped itself out of the EU flag.

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Old Oct 6th 2017, 4:12 pm   #22835
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Look closely and it's the British Isles that's ripped itself out of the EU flag.

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Ah, ok, see it now. The avatar is about 7mm high on my device, so not that discernable.
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Old Oct 6th 2017, 4:50 pm   #22836
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Look closely and it's the British Isles that's ripped itself out of the EU flag.

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I thought it was just the United Kingdom being ripped out. Ireland is still staying. Maybe it's more like the British Isles are being ripped apart.
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EU, India strengthen ties in security, trade | Euronews

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The UK has an external debt of $9.6 trillion dollars which is second highest in the world after the US which has an external debt of 18.5 trillion dollars. As a percentage of GDP, external debt is 408% which is third highest in the world after Luxembourg and Iceland.

I haven't seen any articles addressing how Brexit is going to make this better.
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The UK has an external debt of $9.6 trillion dollars which is second highest in the world after the US which has an external debt of 18.5 trillion dollars. As a percentage of GDP, external debt is 408% which is third highest in the world after Luxembourg and Iceland.

I haven't seen any articles addressing how Brexit is going to make this better.
Who cares, it's the will of the people
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Who cares, it's the will of the people
Iceland did leave the EU in 2015. It only took them 6 years.
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Old Oct 6th 2017, 5:11 pm   #22841
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Iceland did leave the EU in 2015. It only took them 6 years.
No doubt the UK can overtake them rapidly (debt that is)
Mind you, the 6 years record can easily be broken as well seeing how it goes at the moment. Mayhem has other worries.
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Iceland did leave the EU in 2015. It only took them 6 years.
Iceland were never in the EU. They were a candidate for membership but they suspended negotiations in 2013 and withdrew their application in 2015, which might be what you were thinking of.
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So that's what all these delegations this year were about
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Old Oct 6th 2017, 5:25 pm   #22844
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So that's what all these delegations this year were about
No, the delegations were to reopen talks about a FTA which hasn't happened. Modi has also visited many countries in the last few months and made the same sort of agreements with all!--There is a humerous site showing his worldwide 'hugs'!
Trade in luxury goods has increased from the UK and other non-EU countries. The last paragraph of the above link is the important one.

If you can bring yourself to read the 'other' thread you will read much positive post Brexit trade news.
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No, the delegations were to reopen talks about a FTA which hasn't happened. Modi has also visited many countries in the last few months and made the same sort of agreements with all!--There is a humerous site showing his worldwide 'hugs'!
Trade in luxury goods has increased from the UK and other non-EU countries. The last paragraph of the above link is the important one.

If you can bring yourself to read the 'other' thread you will read much positive post Brexit trade news.
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