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Old Oct 6th 2017, 2:04 pm   #22816
 
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you say that but he got elected Mayor of London somehow

BTW Kahn is the only sane person ever elected to that office

I have no idea how that happened. I think it was just a bit of fun that got out of hand, like Boaty McBoatface.

Red Ken, the mad newt handler, actually did do a pretty good job of looking after London after the Thatcher years whatever else you might think of him. I do also quite like Kahn, at least as far as I can tell from all the way over here.

I also loved Ken's opening line from his speech when he became Mayor, the first speech since Thatcher dissolved the GLC and ousted him:

"As I was saying before I was so rudely interrupted 14 years ago..."

You have to admit, that was pretty good
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Old Oct 6th 2017, 2:05 pm   #22817
 
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That's my understanding too, that his struggle is within the party, not with the public. He is a buffoon, but we're in the age of buffoonery folks.
That is also a good point.
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Old Oct 6th 2017, 2:31 pm   #22818
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I also loved Ken's opening line from his speech when he became Mayor, the first speech since Thatcher dissolved the GLC and ousted him:

"As I was saying before I was so rudely interrupted 14 years ago..."

You have to admit, that was pretty good
That was cleverly done - I did laugh out loud when he said that
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Old Oct 6th 2017, 2:31 pm   #22819
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I'm sure it's a game to him, though he's not averse to the taste of power. But sure the Tories do actually want a candidate capable of winning them an election, and to do that they must appeal to a wider segment of the electorate.
Have a read here https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...es-hard-brexit
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Apparently, Johnson is not popular with MPs, but they'd elect Mickey Mouse for leader if it meant they'd more likely keep their job.
Jezza isn't exactly popular with his MPs either and he could be our next PM
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Very good piece. The problem with Brexit is that it's dire consequences are wholly unintended.
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Just out of interest, Eric, how do you reconcile Corbyn's undeniable hard Brexit leanings with your own anti-Brexit stance ?
And while we are squaring Eric's circles.... how does he reconcile his previous position that the Commission was part of a capitalist plot by genocidal maniacs to fiscally water board the Greek people to extinction with his current blind faith in them looking after his rights better than the British government - just asking ;-)
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And while we are squaring Eric's circles.... how does he reconcile his previous position that the Commission was part of a capitalist plot by genocidal maniacs to fiscally water board the Greek people to extinction with his current blind faith in them looking after his rights better than the British government - just asking ;-)
There are more straw men out here than on bonfire night.
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just my ongoing search for consistency
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Old Oct 6th 2017, 4:32 pm   #22825
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I can't speak for Eric
Neither do I, and that's why he was asked.

The reasoning behind the question is that I used to be a Tory voter, but the course the party is taking re hard Brexit and its lurch into UKIP territory means I shall no longer vote for the Tory party in its current guise. My red line.

Just curious as to where Red Eric's red line is regards Corbyn and Brexit. Maybe it is as you suggest, that Corbyn's left wing domestic agenda overrides any external Eurosceptic policy even if it dovetails nicely with UKIP's.
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Neither do I, and that's why he was asked.

The reasoning behind the question is that I used to be a Tory voter, but the course the party is taking re hard Brexit and its lurch into UKIP territory means I shall no longer vote for the Tory party in its current guise. My red line.

Iano, I can never quite guess from your avatar, but what is your stance on Brexit?
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Neither do I, and that's why he was asked.

The reasoning behind the question is that I used to be a Tory voter, but the course the party is taking re hard Brexit and its lurch into UKIP territory means I shall no longer vote for the Tory party in its current guise. My red line.

Just curious as to where Red Eric's red line is regards Corbyn and Brexit. Maybe it is as you suggest, that Corbyn's left wing domestic agenda overrides any external Eurosceptic policy even if it dovetails nicely with UKIP's.
but surely Jezza is also aiming for a hard Brexit as the Single Market is insufficiently socialist for him so you'll probably have to vote for Vince next election - no?
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Neither do I, and that's why he was asked.

The reasoning behind the question is that I used to be a Tory voter, but the course the party is taking re hard Brexit and its lurch into UKIP territory means I shall no longer vote for the Tory party in its current guise. My red line.

Just curious as to where Red Eric's red line is regards Corbyn and Brexit. Maybe it is as you suggest, that Corbyn's left wing domestic agenda overrides any external Eurosceptic policy even if it dovetails nicely with UKIP's.
I too am an ex Tory voter who cannot contemplate doing so at the moment.

I seem to remember that Eric reconciles his positions by imagining that Corbyn isn't really a Hard Brexiteer. A recipe for cognitive dissonance for the poor fella I should think.

I can only see myself voting LibDem for the foreseeable.

Or moving to Scotland.
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Just curious as to where Red Eric's red line is regards Corbyn and Brexit. Maybe it is as you suggest, that Corbyn's left wing domestic agenda overrides any external Eurosceptic policy even if it dovetails nicely with UKIP's.
Eric can speak for himself, but for me Corbyn isn't left wing compared to where the Labour party used to be before Blair's NuLabour made it indistinguishable from the Conservative party in the post-Thatcher years.

I would happily and proudly describe Corbyn as old Labour, i.e. a progressive social democrat party. God knows we need one.
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Iano, I can never quite guess from your avatar, but what is your stance on Brexit?
Shard, it's supposed to be a very pro-EU avatar.
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