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Old Oct 6th 2017, 7:04 am   #22801
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But what would a new governing party be like - which one would it be?

It certainly looks like May's days are numbered - there has been a serious call for her to resign.

What then?

The Tories will have a new leader who could potentially be there for damn near 5 years before the people get another say. Who? Could be Boris, Davis, Rees-Mogg - fancy any of those?

A vote of no confidence in that government would almost certainly see Cons returned or Labour led by hard Brexiteer Corbyn - fancy that?

Anybody see any light at the end of this tunnel?
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A vote of no confidence in that government would almost certainly see Cons returned or Labour led by hard Brexiteer Corbyn - fancy that?

Anybody see any light at the end of this tunnel?
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Anybody see any light at the end of this tunnel?
Nope!

I tend to think that there might be some real negotiations on BREXIT starting in Jan/Feb 19 but I fear there will just be continuous posturing in the media in the interim.

I can't see how May can survive but then I thought that about Jezza who is apparently reborn as the Messiah.
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Old Oct 6th 2017, 9:29 am   #22805
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Nope!

I tend to think that there might be some real negotiations on BREXIT starting in Jan/Feb 19 but I fear there will just be continuous posturing in the media in the interim.

I can't see how May can survive but then I thought that about Jezza who is apparently reborn as the Messiah.
I thought we have had months of real negotiations.
What have Davis and co been doing, posturing to the media ? .
Logic suggests May will survive as none of the front runners is so stupid as to want to have the poisoned chalice of brexit passed on to them.
But as you suggest anything is now possible in British politics.
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Old Oct 6th 2017, 10:22 am   #22806
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I think Boris will get in. Mogg alienates too many. May has lost credibility in a disastrous election, fluffed her key conference speech, and in he day job has shown zero ability to lead, inspire or connect. Someone put the old mare out of her misery, please.
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But what would a new governing party be like - which one would it be?

Anybody see any light at the end of this tunnel?
I do. A dim one and a bright one depending.

Whether it's Boris or Jezza or someone else in no. 10 has very little bearing on Brexit, which they all know is impossible.

One or the other will announce one more time that the Will of the People was simply (take that how you will) to leave the EU.

So they'll do that and join EFTA/EEC instead.
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I think Boris will get in. Mogg alienates too many. May has lost credibility in a disastrous election, fluffed her key conference speech, and in he day job has shown zero ability to lead, inspire or connect. Someone put the old mare out of her misery, please.

I agree with you on May and the Moggie, but how is Boris anything other than an anachronistic buffoon who is a liability everytime he opens his mouth? Surely he won't capture much more than some of the ex-public school vote?
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I agree with you on May and the Moggie, but how is Boris anything other than an anachronistic buffoon who is a liability everytime he opens his mouth? Surely he won't capture much more than some of the ex-public school vote?
you say that but he got elected Mayor of London somehow

BTW Kahn is the only sane person ever elected to that office
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I agree with you on May and the Moggie, but how is Boris anything other than an anachronistic buffoon who is a liability everytime he opens his mouth? Surely he won't capture much more than some of the ex-public school vote?
But they're a major fraction of the parliamentary party. He'd never win an election but do you think he gives a flying one about that? It's all a game to him.
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Old Oct 6th 2017, 12:48 pm   #22811
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Apparently, Johnson is not popular with MPs, but they'd elect Mickey Mouse for leader if it meant they'd more likely keep their job.

Johnson is popular with the Tory rank and file, and there's no denying his influence shaping 'the will of the people'. My money is on the blond buffoon.
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Just out of interest, Eric, how do you reconcile Corbyn's undeniable hard Brexit leanings with your own anti-Brexit stance ?
Why do they need "reconciling"? Corbyn has never been an EU enthusiast, but not because of "immigrants" or "gravy trains" etc, but because it is a capitalist organization. Which of course it is.

I can't speak for Eric, but when it comes to making choices we make them from those that are available, not those that aren't. Corbyn's domestic proposals are by and large the only ones that address our truly pressing issues in the UK - pressing for those that are not the most wealthy. Would it be good if he were also to want to keep us in the EU? Sure. But if he doesn't, then it is what it is at this point.

"Taking sides" and claiming that one side is all wrong and the other side is perfect is a bit silly, played out here on BE as well as in the media, and reduces some very important decisions to a partisan game of goodies and baddies.
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Apparently, Johnson is not popular with MPs, but they'd elect Mickey Mouse for leader if it meant they'd more likely keep their job.

Johnson is popular with the Tory rank and file, and there's no denying his influence shaping 'the will of the people'. My money is on the blond buffoon.
That's my understanding too, that his struggle is within the party, not with the public. He is a buffoon, but we're in the age of buffoonery folks.
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But they're a major fraction of the parliamentary party. He'd never win an election but do you think he gives a flying one about that? It's all a game to him.
I'm sure it's a game to him, though he's not averse to the taste of power. But sure the Tories do actually want a candidate capable of winning them an election, and to do that they must appeal to a wider segment of the electorate.
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