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Old Jun 25th 2016, 7:00 am   #196
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Here's a strange thing.

There was a lot of talk prior to the referendum about how the EU doesn't allow the wrong result. Get it wrong, do it again. Brexiter after Brexiter said it, over and over again.

But there's been absolutely no sign of that so far. It looks pretty merciless on the EU side, actually. They're gunning for an immediate start to the exit terms negotiating process while the UK wants to hang back. They're obviously going to keep this pressure on and whenever the process starts the EU holds all the cards. My own feeling, having followed the Greek negotiations last year, is that they'll deliberately drag things out to end up without agreement within the legal time limit and then make the UK sweat on some sort of unfavourable compromise.
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Old Jun 25th 2016, 7:27 am   #197
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We are a country divided,

The majority of under 40,s who voted , those who will pay the price of whatever happens are pro remain.
The majority of middle class better educated pro remain.

The older and older working class voter pro brexit.

The negotiation should be based on achieving the best terms for those who lives will be most affected for the next generation and not satisfying the prejudices of many of those who voted brexit.
Those in deprived areas of the UK will see little or any difference to their lives whatever happens.
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Well said! I absolutely agree 100%!

Farage is one of Britain's finest sons.
Farage has no say in the future direction of the UK, no say in the negotiations. He is just a MEP serving out his notice.

If anything good does come out of this it will be that Nige is now a spent force .
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The fun is starting,

Junker has called for an immediate start to the exit negotiations not at our convenience.

Moodys has downgraded its UK economic rating.

The mayor of Calais is calling for the UK border to be moved back to our side of the channel.

In the welsh assembly the ukip nutter is caalling for the UK government to ensure that Wales does not lose a single penny of the fumding it gets from the EU.
No doubt all the other deprived regions, industries farmers etc will be demanding the same as the price for brexit.
Simple question WTF is all that money supposed to come from, does anyone in brexit have a clue ?
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The fun is starting,

Junker has called for an immediate start to the exit negotiations not at our convenience.

Moodys has downgraded its UK economic rating.

The mayor of Calais is calling for the UK border to be moved back to our side of the channel.

In the welsh assembly the ukip nutter is caalling for the UK government to ensure that Wales does not lose a single penny of the fumding it gets from the EU.
No doubt all the other deprived regions, industries farmers etc will be demanding the same as the price for brexit.
Simple question WTF is all that money supposed to come from, does anyone in brexit have a clue ?


calm down we have up to 2 years to make the transition. Slowly slowly catchy monkey.
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calm down we have up to 2 years to make the transition. Slowly slowly catchy monkey.
2 years is optimistic. Gove & company have no interest in invoking article 50 anytime soon, because it would mean removing the benefits of the single market in 2 years (and driving Britain's economy further downward, resulting in political backlash) before they have the time to stablise the economy and negate any potential for a liberal victory at the end of parliament, and in pursuit of that, to attempt to negotiate a one-sided free trade deal with the world's largest market (as if that's even remotely possible now).

Gove: UK will not have left EU by 2020 in event of Brexit


Unfortunately, the EU holds all the facecards in this divorce, and isn't in the mood to wait for Britain to decide what it really wants, which is another reason why invoking article 50 isn't particularly attractive right now, as delaying will only weaken the EUs position by maintaining instability and uncertainty. Hopefully Gove & Co. can hold it back just short of serious civil unrest in Britain and Europe. But I reckon if Scotland leaves within that period, that will be the sign.

There are a few (as exhibited here) who are naively licking their chops in anticipation of a total collapse of Europe, which would pretty much mean the end to our 80 years of growth and prosperity, and take Britain down in flames along with it. But at least we'll be able to be proud again.
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2 years is optimistic. Gove & company have no interest in invoking article 50 anytime soon, because it would mean removing the benefits of the single market in 2 years (and driving Britain's economy further downward, resulting in political backlash) before they have the time to stablise the economy and negate any potential for a liberal victory at the end of parliament, and in pursuit of that, to attempt to negotiate a one-sided free trade deal with the world's largest market (as if that's even remotely possible now).

Gove: UK will not have left EU by 2020 in event of Brexit


Unfortunately, the EU holds all the facecards in this divorce, and isn't in the mood to wait for Britain to decide what it really wants, which is another reason why invoking article 50 isn't particularly attractive right now. Hopefully Gove & Co. can hold it back just long enough to prevent serious civil unrest in Britain. But I reckon if Scotland leaves within that period, that will be the sign.
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What is Article 50?

Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union allows a member state to notify the EU of its withdrawal and obliges the EU to try to negotiate a ‘withdrawal agreement’ with that state – it involves five points laid out below.
  1. “Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements
  2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
  3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.
  4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it. A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
  5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.”
The form of any withdrawal agreement would depend on the negotiations and there is therefore no guarantee the UK would find the terms acceptable. The EU Treaties would cease to apply to the UK on the entry into force of a withdrawal agreement or, if no new agreement is concluded, after two years, unless there is unanimous agreement to extend the negotiating period.
In other words, it begins when Article 50 is invoked, not after a referendum vote.

So, just delay invoking article 50... and that will buy time to figure out what to do now. Years, possibly. But that does carry serious political risks, because people like you are gonna be pretty pissed if it appears in any way that your "democratic vote" is in danger of being ignored - especially by those who persuaded us to vote that way in the first place. And you can expect the tabloids to whip that into a hysterical frenzy.
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Here's a strange thing.

There was a lot of talk prior to the referendum about how the EU doesn't allow the wrong result. Get it wrong, do it again. Brexiter after Brexiter said it, over and over again.

But there's been absolutely no sign of that so far. It looks pretty merciless on the EU side, actually. They're gunning for an immediate start to the exit terms negotiating process while the UK wants to hang back. They're obviously going to keep this pressure on and whenever the process starts the EU holds all the cards. My own feeling, having followed the Greek negotiations last year, is that they'll deliberately drag things out to end up without agreement within the legal time limit and then make the UK sweat on some sort of unfavourable compromise.
Two points.

It's quite apparent that you, EMR and a few others on here rub your hands with glee when the markets take a dive - exercising a 'told you so' mentality.
You naturally want the UK to get the worst terms possible from the EU gods you idolize.

Second. Cameron blew it big time. The In Out referendum was premature and wildly reckless. An initial referendum should have been a vote on the 'deal' that he came back with. The idiot played all his cards in one go.
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At least one major country already realising the advantage of trading with the UK rather than the EU!!


Post Brexit, India-UK trade pact likely to get a fillip | The Indian Express
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Farage has no say in the future direction of the UK, no say in the negotiations. He is just a MEP serving out his notice.

If anything good does come out of this it will be that Nige is now a spent force .
Nope, wrong again. Nigel has achieved goal number 1 only. Goal number 2 is to make sure the government keeps to its word by delivering Brexit, and goal number 3 is to help make the British political system more accountable through direct democracy.
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PERHAPS the main issue that is now facing many Derbyshire businesses is the uncertainty that leaving the EU has created.

In terms of our major employers, the good news is that both Rolls-Royce and Bombardier have said they remain committed to their UK operations.

EU Referendum: Bombardier confirms commitment to UK after Brexit | Derby Telegraph
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As I posted earlier on another Brexit = doom and gloom thread:

Given a lot of change is going to happen, it should be seen as an opportunity to shape the fully independent UK into something better and stronger. Something that is fit for the rest of this century and beyond. As the chief minister of the ACT said recently in his strategic vision document: "We must recognise: we shape change or it shapes us. Standing still is simply not an option...". After 40 years, the UK at last has the power to shape that change without being hamstrung by the EU.

Britain has many many advantages and it should be setting out a plan to tap into them all, it has much to offer itself and the world. It is not the end. It is the beginning.
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The fun is starting,

Junker has called for an immediate start to the exit negotiations not at our convenience.

Moodys has downgraded its UK economic rating.

The mayor of Calais is calling for the UK border to be moved back to our side of the channel.

In the welsh assembly the ukip nutter is caalling for the UK government to ensure that Wales does not lose a single penny of the fumding it gets from the EU.
No doubt all the other deprived regions, industries farmers etc will be demanding the same as the price for brexit.
Simple question WTF is all that money supposed to come from, does anyone in brexit have a clue ?

Christ, you still here? lol

Anyway...


Lots of idiots on the media now say 'brexit was a racist vote'

Well let me tell you It's NOT about racism. It's about allowing a level of immigration that is proportionate to our resources and to our needs.To ignore that basic truth like the lefties try to do is to invite inevitable violence and disharmony. In former times uncontrolled immigration was more correctly defined as an invasion and usually got resolved by going to war. The left are too stupid or too ignorant to appreciate this.

Common sense won, and the young students and idiots are fuming about it.
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