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Old Aug 13th 2016, 7:06 am   #1546
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That's nice. Except to date, not one of the small handful of terrorist attacks that have taken place in the UK have been perpetrated by "outsiders" (except of course, for IRA bombings, long ago).

But OK, like most of the hysterical non-problems that have nothing to do with the EU, which Britain chose to leave the EU over, now that Britain is "free" it can close the curtains, lock the doors, and cower in fear if it likes. Why not? You're "free" now.
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That's nice. Except to date, not one of the small handful of terrorist attacks that have taken place in the UK have been perpetrated by "outsiders" (except of course, for IRA bombings, long ago).

But OK, like most of the hysterical non-problems that have nothing to do with the EU, which Britain chose to leave the EU over, now that Britain is "free" it can close the curtains, lock the doors, and cower in fear if it likes. Why not? You're "free" now.
Para 1: Your comment implies that you think terrorist attacks won't happen which shows a staggering naivety - The truth is that it's not a case of if they'll happen but when.

Para 2: It's nothing to do with cowering in fear...... Only a fool closes his/eyes & hopes the danger will go away.......... It's to do with taking sensible precautions to keep our loved ones & law abiding citizens as safe as possible so there's less chance they'll be shot, blown up or beheaded etc.

You might be prepared to take that chance with your loved ones but I prefer to try to keep mine as safe as possible.
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There are many, many countries to which you can travel without visas, just with a passport.
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Nope. Only suggesting that the nonexistent "open borders" of the UK seem to be pretty effective at stopping it so far.

Almost the entire leave campaign was based on inflaming fears like this one. Virtually nonexistent, and nothing to do with the EU whatsoever.

But look, that's what Britons wanted, so quit screwing around and just do it. It's not all about Britain - in fact, Britain's fickle uncertainty is adversely affecting a far larger population than Britain. It's not everybody else's problem, it's Britain's problem. Britain is too wrapped up in its own problems to see the big picture, but that's not everybody else's fault. So get the hell out of the way, please. You're holding up traffic.
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Argentina. Thailand. Malaysia. Chile. Japan. Etc. (Etc isn't, BTW, a country.)

Naturally, most countries require differing documents for work, investment etc but visa free travel is by no means uncommon.
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Argentina. Thailand. Malaysia. Chile. Japan. Etc. (Etc isn't, BTW, a country.)

Naturally, most countries require differing documents for work, investment etc but visa free travel is by no means uncommon.
Christ on a bike. Nonsense on stilts.

Argentina. Tourist visa for up to 3 month stay. Longer periods need a temporary residence visa.

Thailand, visa free for some nationalities, but only up to 30 days.

Malaysia - visa free for 3 months only.

You can't live or work in those countries without a visa, as we can in the countries of the EU. That's what has been taken away from us by Brexit.
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It makes me die how Bremainers can bring up all sorts of faux problems. There are many, many countries to which you can travel without visas, just with a passport.

It's not beyond the wit of man to arrange for work permits backed with a valid passport.

The biggest problem is that for nigh on half a century the UK has abrogated so many international negotiations to the EU bureaucracy that the civil service no longer has the expertise. (That say quite a lot about giving away accountability, actually). But there are many competent people in other "Western" democracies that are able to put the structures in place.

Why is it that so many people have such a low regard for Britain that they feel unable to cope without the comfort blanket in Brussels?
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Christ on a bike. Nonsense on stilts.

Argentina. Tourist visa for up to 3 month stay. Longer periods need a temporary residence visa.

Thailand, visa free for some nationalities, but only up to 30 days.

Malaysia - visa free for 3 months only.

You can't live or work in those countries without a visa, as we can in the countries of the EU. That's what has been taken away from us by Brexit.
The original post stated travel without visa not work or residency.

Here is a list of about 80

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_r...itish_citizens
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Christ on a bike. Nonsense on stilts.

Argentina. Tourist visa for up to 3 month stay. Longer periods need a temporary residence visa.

Thailand, visa free for some nationalities, but only up to 30 days.

Malaysia - visa free for 3 months only.

You can't live or work in those countries without a visa, as we can in the countries of the EU. That's what has been taken away from us by Brexit.
READ my reply. I specifically said what was being talked about was travel visas. Most countries have regulations regarding work or business restrictions.

The general idea of the EU - even after the con trick that was the Common Market - is in theory not bad.

But the idea that over two dozen countries with often markedly different cultures, economies, languages, laws, attitudes and so on can be melded effectively into one just doesn't wash. Add to the mix the stated objective of monetary integration and you are in la-la land. Without full financial and taxation integration it just will not work, as has been obvious even before the Euro was introduced. Yes, it works for some countries like Germany - which has benefitted greatly despite being a net contributor - but look what has happened and is happening in other parts.

It's the difference between theory and practice, rather like an aspiring Miss World saying that she wants world peace. Who doesn't?
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The original post (I believe) was in response to my post which referred to "passporting rights", which has nothing to do with travel or immigration, but flow of money and economics.

It's no surprise though, as leave voters had little understanding of what brexit actually means, the response naturally was diverted back to the one, same old central point which those voters can grasp; our nonexistent "open borders" and the subsequent fear of terrorism, even though the UK has suffered amongst the least of it, all by domestic perpetrators, has nothing to do with the EU, nor can be "solved" by brexit.

So, you can debate forever; visas, types of them, that we should have more of them... and which countries have them or not, or even what colour new passports should be. But that won't change what brexit means to the UK.

I think a more useful debate would be how to get this behind us. Reminds me of those shoppers who park their trolleys perpendicular in the middle of the aisle, having a discussion about whose hairdresser is better, and become irritated when a queue forms and someone asks them to move out of the way.
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The original post (I believe) was in response to my post which referred to "passporting rights", which has nothing to do with travel or immigration, but flow of money and economics.

It's no surprise though, as leave voters had little understanding of what brexit actually means, the response naturally was diverted back to the one, same old central point which those voters can grasp; our nonexistent "open borders" and the subsequent fear of terrorism, even though the UK has suffered amongst the least of it, all by domestic perpetrators, has nothing to do with the EU, nor can be "solved" by brexit.

So, you can debate forever; visas, types of them, that we should have more of them... and which countries have them or not, or even what colour new passports should be. But that won't change what brexit means to the UK.

I think a more useful debate would be how to get this behind us. Reminds me of those shoppers who park their trolleys perpendicular in the middle of the aisle, having a discussion about whose hairdresser is better, and become irritated when a queue forms and someone asks them to move out of the way.
I believe there is a company who's headquarters are in Seattle that has successfully managed to operate in the EU.
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I believe there is a company who's headquarters are in Seattle that has successfully managed to operate in the EU.
Yes, and quite a few others, too. Most of them preferred to headquarter in the London Metro area, as there are a few tax advantages and of course, the local language thing, and that gave them unfettered access to the world's largest market.

But after the UK leaves the EU, what will be the point? For the UK Market? Ok, maybe downsize the office to a staff that can manage the smaller UK market, but headquarters are surely going to be better off in Berlin or Munich or Paris, where they can maintain unfettered access...
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Re ‘passporting’, the upcoming MIFIDII regulations provide a solution in the form of equivalence for what it terms ‘third country firms.’

Passporting (as set out under MIFID I) allows a financial institution regulated in one country of the EU to do business in the others without the need to establish a separate legal entity in each of them. Currently some 75 non-UK EEA financial institutions have taken advantage of this opportunity in order to gain access to the UK financial markets. Many financial institutions based in London (both UK and non-EU owned) have also done similar in the other direction.

Some in the City have expressed a concern that this may no longer be possible following a Brexit vote. These concerns, however, are thankfully unfounded. Under MIFID II (which comes into force in January 2018 - well before the two-year deadline of Article 50 negotiations) the policy of passporting would effectively be superseded by one of equivalence, which is based broadly on the same principal.

Equivalence must also be reciprocal - for example, in order for financial institutions of the remaining 27 EU member states to be able to deal in the world’s largest money foreign exchange and capital markets, UK institutions (as well as, for example, American owned ones with an established presence in the UK) must also be able to access EU markets provided that they are authorised in their home country to undertake the same services they intend to offer.

It gets better. UK-based financial institutions will have been operating under MIFID II regulations for six months (or more) before the Article 50 negotiating period ends and so will already effectively be equivalent. Unless the UK then changes its financial market regulatory structure dramatically these banks and brokers will be well placed to continue operating on an equivalence basis. Similarly, EU financial institutions will be able to continue to access the City.

The City, then, would continue to be able to access EU markets under the equivalence regime introduced by MIFIDII and will already be operating as equivalent by the time the withdrawal becomes effective.

UK institutions will apply to the pan-EU regulator ESMA for recognition, and inclusion on its register of recognised institutions. EU-based institutions will apply to the FCA in much the same way. This will be done under reference to the European Market Infrastructure Regulation (EMIR) passed in 2012 which has already been used in a number of successful equivalence applications by the USA, Australia and Canada.

The City for Britain: Passporting, Equivalence and The City's Access to Europe Post-Brexit
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That sounds very encouraging. We'll see.

But it really isn't up to Britain. It's up to the EU membership. Well, as soon as Article 50 is invoked, pretty much everything is.
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