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Old Mar 26th 2017, 9:12 pm   #15346
 
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Interesting......

BRITAIN could carry on trading with the EU without any tariffs for 10 years if a free trade deal has not been reached after the Brexit negotiations.
Officials at the Department for International Trade are secretly exploring a little-known clause in the World Trade Organisation rules which would allow the UK to have a decade-long interim free trade arrangement with the EU, allowing more time for a bespoke deal to be stuck once Britain has left.
The provision, set out in Article 24 of the WTO’s General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, has been described as a “secret weapon” in Britain’s free trade negotiations with Europe.
A worry has always been that Britain would not have any deal at the end of the two-year negotiation period, throwing trade rules into chaos.

Dare I suggest that anything you know about is unlikely to be a "secret weapon"?
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Old Mar 26th 2017, 9:13 pm   #15347
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According to reports from Leavers so far, things aren't exactly looking rosy for them post Brexit.

An NHS which won't be fit to pay for lifestyle choices like doctor consultations and medicines which have been properly tested and a benefits system which will consist of "get off your arse and go and pick carrots for 3 weeks".

Still, at least Deutsche Bank will have something called a UK Headquarters in the UK.

I shall be keeping a beady eye on pay and conditions for the low-paid over the next few years la mancha. When is their bright new future pencilled in to begin?
Getting out of the EU will stop social dumping in the UK. If you had kept a beady eye on pay and conditions for the low-paid over the past years in the UK you would know what I am talking about. A bright new future? Is that what you call a decent life for ordinary people? Smarmy comments like this are why people voted out, or hasn’t that connected with you yet?
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Old Mar 26th 2017, 9:14 pm   #15348
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Forget Cameron and his negotiations. Look at the bigger picture. Have you not heard of the Five Presidents’ Report as of July 1 2015?

‘To turn their vision for the future of EMU into reality, they put forward concrete measures to be implemented during three Stages: while some of the actions need to be frontloaded already in the coming years, such as introducing a European Deposit Insurance Scheme, others go further as regards sharing of sovereignty among the Member States that have the euro as their currency, such as creating a future euro area treasury. This is part of the Five Presidents’ vision according to which the focus needs to move beyond rules to institutions in order to guarantee a rock-solid and transparent architecture of EMU. Delivering a Deeper and Fairer Economic and Monetary Union has been one of the top 10 priorities of President Juncker in his Political Guidelines.’

More integration. Which would undermine our vote in the Council of Ministers. We would be outsiders looking in. Unless we joined lock, stock and barrel.
You are ignoring as usual the UK opt out from monetary union.
When will brexiters ever get their facts right.
By the way , we voted to leave so wtf relevance does this have.
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You are ignoring as usual the UK opt out from monetary union.
When will brexiters ever get their facts right.
By the way , we voted to leave so wtf relevance does this have.
I am answering a post,that is WTF relevance it has.

I am talking about the UK being outsiders with more EU integration, whether it be the Eurozone or the EU 27. I take it the Eurozone is part of the EU? Read before you answer.
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Getting out of the EU will stop social dumping in the UK. If you had kept a beady eye on pay and conditions for the low-paid over the past years in the UK you would know what I am talking about. A bright new future? Is that what you call a decent life for ordinary people? Smarmy comments like this are why people voted out, or hasn’t that connected with you yet?
When is this decent life for ordinary people showing up then? Who in government do you reckon has any interest at all in fixing that situation? The NHS is being gradually privatized, housing is inadequate and ever more expensive, education in deprived areas is inadequate in preparing people for further study or employment, housing benefit is cut, young people are living rough in large numbers and chemical addictions remain high.

None of that can be laid at the doors of the EU - the British government could have addressed it at any time since the rise of Thatcher which is when the huge growth in income inequality really kicked off. What makes you think that the people in power now will do any such thing?
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https://www.socialeurope.eu/2016/03/...onomy-numbers/

How Austerity Has Crippled The European Economy – In Numbers

Until very recently and long after all other areas of the Global economy incl the U.K. had recovered, the only slower growth area than the Eurozone was Antarctica.
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Tell that to the low paid with no hope for the future. I’m sure they’ll understand.
Go on, just use the P word. Go on...I know you want to.


Anyway. Interestingly - UK focused companies have struggled to get back to where they were since the vote, whereas companies with foreign earnings have enjoyed the advantage handed to them of a pound worth 20% (+/-) less.

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Someone will be a winner after the UK leaves the EU. Why shouldn't it be Germany?
Because Germany doesn't view itself as a winner of Brexit. It doesn't aspire to dominate (which you seem to view as "victory""). In Germany's view Brexit is a lose-lose situation. Not only on the economic side but also on the political side. Germany always viewed the UK as a close partner. Apparently this feeling wasn't reciprocated.

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Getting out of the EU will stop social dumping in the UK. If you had kept a beady eye on pay and conditions for the low-paid over the past years in the UK you would know what I am talking about. A bright new future? Is that what you call a decent life for ordinary people? Smarmy comments like this are why people voted out, or hasn’t that connected with you yet?
How about this: minimum wage (or enforcing it). Then you need not bankrupt the country to stop perceived "social dumping".

By the way, wages in the UK are for the first time in quite a while, just now falling behind inflation. This was one of the predicted after-effects. It'll get worse after the UK actually leaves the EU. But no worries, it'll happen before you know it.
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I am answering a post,that is WTF relevance it has.

I am talking about the UK being outsiders with more EU integration, whether it be the Eurozone or the EU 27. I take it the Eurozone is part of the EU? Read before you answer.
I did, you posted that was not your usual misinterpretation and out dated facts.
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How about this: minimum wage (or enforcing it). Then you need not bankrupt the country to stop perceived "social dumping".

By the way, wages in the UK are for the first time in quite a while, just now falling behind inflation. This was one of the predicted after-effects. It'll get worse after the UK actually leaves the EU. But no worries, it'll happen before you know it.
Low wages will make UK companies more competitive though in this new age of the global Britain. If the British want to sell their products after Brexit when there will be higher customs, more red tape and higher costs for companies something will have to give.
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Low wages will make UK companies more competitive though in this new age of the global Britain. If the British want to sell their products after Brexit when there will be higher customs, more red tape and higher costs for companies something will have to give.
Plus we have to produce what the world wants to buy.
A" made in England" sticker will not be enough.
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Why wouldn't "made in England" be enough? All this time we'd been led to believe everybody wanted to be English (or at least have English stuff). Who wants "foreign" stuff anyway?

I mean, how could the world live without this stuff?







In fact, the threat of banning these exports would leave all them foreigners shaking in their boots (although I reckon they could just move production to the continent like everybody else is)..

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Parts of UK that voted for Brexit may be hardest hit, study finds
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I do know people outside of thecUK who cannot, they happen to be Brits.
Maybe that is part of the government's be nice to migrants policy, that will keep UK migrants in their current country of residence buying UK products boosting our exports.
Given the lack of any post brexit strategy anything is possible.
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Getting out of the EU will stop social dumping in the UK.
Social dumping my arse. People are going to where the work is. If the UK hadn't been one of the nations that has swung everything to its own advantage at the expense of others by commandeering all the work it wouldn't be so popular. And it's done that by being attractive to employers by the dismantling of labour protections, which leads to scandalously low wages and precarious employment. That started long before the EU in its current incarnation emerged and it was entirely the doing of UK governments.

Most of the criticisms levied at other EU member states when talk of sluggish economies arises revolves around how "inflexible" their labour markets are. I don't recall whether that's a line you take but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if you did. Labour protection laws and practices may not mean great wages always but do at least offer job security, which is equally important to my mind. Low pay can be addressed by governments via the setting of an appropriate level of minimum wage, a comprehensive welfare system and legislation to ensure that the gap between the lowest and highest paid doesn't get ever wider.

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If you had kept a beady eye on pay and conditions for the low-paid over the past years in the UK you would know what I am talking about. A bright new future? Is that what you call a decent life for ordinary people? Smarmy comments like this are why people voted out, or hasn’t that connected with you yet?
You are complaining about low pay brought about, as you see it, by the UK's membership of the EU. You have voted to leave, presumably because you think that only by leaving can that be addressed. So presumably, you think it will be and you therefore must have a rough idea of how and when this is likely to happen. Mustn't you?

I know plenty enough about low pay and struggling to get by, thanks very much. I also know about scraping by on benefits and how one feels when in the position of having to rely on them, due to the (mercifully fairly brief, though it didn't feel like it at the time) periods when I have had to.

You've chosen the wrong word altogether above. Smarmy means ingratiating - I was being cynical and with good reason. I've seen this film before. Slightly different plot this time, some different characters, different baddie - but all the elements are there and the victims will always be the same.

You think what I say or the way I say it is the reason people voted to leave? Bullshit. You want to have a go at someone for not caring about ordinary people? Fine - so do I. Only my anger is at previous UK governments and at people, Leavers and Remainers alike, who want to engage in a wholesale dismantling of the social protections that do remain in the UK. Look at them all, queueing up on here to have a pop at the unemployed, at welfare and the NHS and have a go at anybody who speaks up for any of that by lobbing out one derogatory insult or another. All of these people who apparently don't need the rest of society because everything they've done and everything they've got is from the sweat of their own brow so why should their taxes go to looking after anybody else. Have a go at them and the governments and newspapers which pander to that kind of crap. They (and you, if you're amongst them) are responsible for what's happening now, however much anybody tries to turn it all round and blame experts and liberal elites or whatever else happens to be flavour of the day.
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