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Old Sep 27th 2017, 9:42 pm   #31
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Old Sep 27th 2017, 10:05 pm   #32
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I'd have to confirm that with the captain of the sub which sank it

HMS Sheffield wasn't so lucky though was it ?
Sheffield was attacked by aircraft.
Belgrano an obsolete ex US vessel was nowhere near the taskforce ,steaming away from it.
The captain was carrying out orders from Whitehall.
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Sheffield was attacked by aircraft.
Belgrano an obsolete ex US vessel was nowhere near the taskforce ,steaming away from it.
The captain was carrying out orders from Whitehall.
As far as I'm aware captains of navy ships, at least those of the British and US navies are always in touch either with Whitehall or the Pentagon before engaging in any action against hostile vessels when it's a situation where no actual declaration of war by either side exists.

I was amazed that HMS Sheffield was sunk by a Cruise missile (not by aircraft) I would have thought that even by 1982 British warships would have had the capability to spot and destroy an incoming missile before it actually hit.

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Truth is we're screwed as far as North Korea is concerned. Far better to attempt to negotiate with Kim Jong Un and even let him keep his wretched missiles and nuclear bombs.

It's a given that if any military attack was carried out against North Korea then Seoul in the south would be completely destroyed along with thousands dead or wounded. The North Korean army has a massive artillery force up in the mountains and Seoul well within it's range

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As far as I'm aware captains of navy ships, at least those of the British and US navies are always in touch either with Whitehall or the Pentagon before engaging in any action against hostile vessels when it's a situation where no actual declaration of war by either side exists.

I was amazed that HMS Sheffield was sunk by a Cruise missile (not by aircraft) I would have thought that even by 1982 British warships would have had the capability to spot and destroy an incoming missile before it actually hit.
It was sunk by an anti ship missile launched by an aircraft, not a cruise missile.
You appear to know very little about events.
We are talking about the 80s not star wars.
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The fact that the Belgrano was heading away from the Islands is irrelevant.

It was a warship in a war zone. It was farting around a few kilometres outside the exclusion zone. It would have been stupid not to have sunk it. That action kept the entire Argentine navy in port for the duration which was a seriously good result.
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The fact that the Belgrano was heading away from the Islands is irrelevant.

It was a warship in a war zone. It was farting around a few kilometres outside the exclusion zone. It would have been stupid not to have sunk it. That action kept the entire Argentine navy in port for the duration which was a seriously good result.
What navy ?
A collection of ex ww2 obsolete vessels.
The only arm of the Argentine military that was remotely modern and a threat as it proved was their air force.
Sinking a vessel outside of the UK imposed exclusion zone was a breach of international law.
But it got Thatcher votes so who cares about anything else.
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It was sunk by an anti ship missile launched by an aircraft, not a cruise missile.
You appear to know very little about events.
We are talking about the 80s not star wars.
Effing glad i never served on a sub with you as captain
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Effing glad i never served on a sub with you as captain
Well your captain would have taken his orders from Whitehall , just as the Captain who sank the Belgrano dud.
Only a fool would think he used his own initiative.
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Well your captain would have taken his orders from Whitehall , just as the Captain who sank the Belgrano dud.
Only a fool would think he used his own initiative.
And even if Whitehall hadn't been involved what makes you think the sub captain would not have sunk the Belgrano anyway? Did he ever at some time afterwards make any comments about it?

I remember the reaction to the Falklands war here in California. Many Mexicans were flying Argentine flags from their cars. They call the Falklands "the Maldives" apparently.

IMO Thatcher had balls... big ones.......It was she who persuaded George Bush Senior to negotiate with Gorbachev and bring about an end to the cold war.

The poll tax was a bad idea and she's still hated up north for closing the coal mines but coal was at the beginning of it's demise anyway
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It was sunk by an anti ship missile launched by an aircraft, not a cruise missile.
You appear to know very little about events.
We are talking about the 80s not star wars.
They were Exocets weren't they?
The French were in both Britain and Argentina facilitating how to use them and how to avoid them.
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They were Exocets weren't they?
The French were in both Britain and Argentina facilitating how to use them and how to avoid them.
Had Aregentina waited for the modern vessels on order to arrive from Germany and the massive cuts to the UK navy proposed by the Thatcher government to take effect events could have taken a very different direction.
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And even if Whitehall hadn't been involved what makes you think the sub captain would not have sunk the Belgrano anyway? Did he ever at some time afterwards make any comments about it?
He wouldn't have sunk the Belgrano without higher authorisation because the old girl was meandering beyond the TEZ and therefore outside the remit of existing rules of engagement.
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