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Old Sep 21st 2017, 7:59 pm   #1
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This is one quick train

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Old Sep 22nd 2017, 7:01 am   #2
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Well if people really need to get somewhere yesterday,and run the risk of death. hmmm
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Well, I think good for China in developing high speed rail. Something lagging in the US, unfortunately. I also see that China is helping many countries in Africa construct rail systems they never had or could afford on their own. So, very good!
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Well, I think good for China in developing high speed rail. Something lagging in the US, unfortunately. I also see that China is helping many countries in Africa construct rail systems they never had or could afford on their own. So, very good!
The Chinese are planning one through laos and Cambodia which will give them access to the Gulf of Thailand and neighbouring waters.
There is another in Kenya.
Nothing altruistic , just commercial colonialism.
They must be following the example of the British in our Empire days
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The Chinese are planning one through laos and Cambodia which will give them access to the Gulf of Thailand and neighbouring waters.
There is another in Kenya.
Nothing altruistic , just commercial colonialism.
They must be following the example of the British in our Empire days
Ya think it's colonialism? Maybe a little, but I read China is funding and subsidizing much of the costs. Maybe that'll give them more influence in these countries, yes, but at least they now have rail infrastructure to move goods and people they couldn't have afforded otherwise.

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Ya think it's colonialism? Maybe a little, but I read China is funding and subsidizing much of the costs. Maybe that'll give them more influence in these countries, yes, but at least they now have rail infrastructure to move goods and people they couldn't have afforded otherwise.
The mines, the factories, the infrastructure, power water,roads etc, are being constructed, financed managed and exploited by the Chinese.
Neo colonialism.
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The mines, the factories, the infrastructure, power water,roads etc, are being constructed, financed managed and exploited by the Chinese.
Neo colonialism.
I don't agree with that extreme assesment. Any foreign commercial activity could be interpreted as colonialism, but is really commercialism with some foreign aid. Colonialism in its true sense means direct control of the local government, which is not the case with these rail projects.
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I don't agree with that extreme assesment. Any foreign commercial activity could be interpreted as colonialism, but is really commercialism with some foreign aid. Colonialism in its true sense means direct control of the local government, which is not the case with these rail projects.
Having been in South East Asia only a few months ago I can assure you that the Chinese are not viewed as benefactors but exploiters of natural resources , Labour and economies.
The local population rarely benefits from these projects.
Chinese Labour local builds them, Chinese management controls them,, local Chinese politicians direct policy.

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Having been in South East Asia only a few months ago I can assure you that the Chinese are not viewed as benefactors but exploiters of natural resources , Labour and economies.
The local population rarely benefits from these projects.
Chinese Labour both local builds them, Chinese management controls them,, local Chinese politicians direct policy.
Not according to the governments benefiting.

“Today, 122 years later and despite again a lot of criticism, we do not celebrate the Lunatic Express but the Madaraka Express that will begin to reshape the story of Kenya for the next 100 years,” Kenyatta said. “I want to thank our partner and true friend, China, for the support that has enabled the construction and completion of the project after only two and a half years.”

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Not according to the governments benefiting.

“Today, 122 years later and despite again a lot of criticism, we do not celebrate the Lunatic Express but the Madaraka Express that will begin to reshape the story of Kenya for the next 100 years,” Kenyatta said. “I want to thank our partner and true friend, China, for the support that has enabled the construction and completion of the project after only two and a half years.”

https://qz.com/996255/kenyas-3-2-bil...lp-from-china/
The Chinese who control increasingly the economies use the railways to export natural resources and import cheap Chinese made products.
The views of known corrupt government's can hardly be said to be an endorsement.
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Sounds like if you disagree with elected governments' decisions around the world, they're "corrupt". Well, this thread was about new Chinese high speed rail. Let's keep it at that. We'll never agree on this.
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Sounds like if you disagree with elected governments' decisions around the world, they're "corrupt". Well, this thread was about new Chinese high speed rail. Let's keep it at that. We'll never agree on this.
Kenya, Laos, Cambodia, Zambia. Angola just a few countries whose rescources and economies are being exploited by the Chinese under the guise of " building " roads, rail , dams. power stations etc.
Neo colonialism.
Our elected government has virtually handed the future of our nuclear power industry to the French and Chinese.
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The mines, the factories, the infrastructure, power water,roads etc, are being constructed, financed managed and exploited by the Chinese.
Neo colonialism.
For once I agree withy you. It is also road building as is happening on the North East border of India ---with an eye on Sikkim and Bhutan--another possible 'Tibet action'.
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