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Old Mar 20th 2017, 9:30 pm   #1
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I am hearing that after march 29 trigger actual negs will not start june 15 earliest...and if not by then..oct nov or jan(german elections)
That will leave just 6 months..not much time to neg a dinner
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I am hearing that after march 29 trigger actual negs will not start june 15 earliest...and if not by then..oct nov or jan(german elections)
That will leave just 6 months..not much time to neg a dinner
They are scheduled to take 2 YEARS and what does the elections in another EU country have to do with it?
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They are scheduled to take 2 YEARS and what does the elections in another EU country have to do with it?
Britain has about 18 months to achieve what normally requires a minimum of 60, and will need the attention of 27 other nations, all of which have other things to worry about, and those in the election cycle have literally zero bandwidth to worry about Britain's problems.

Yes, it does matter. The clock is ticking. And the attention span will be limited.
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Old Mar 20th 2017, 10:01 pm   #4
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They are scheduled to take 2 YEARS and what does the elections in another EU country have to do with it?
Simple...within that 2 years the following will take place..end april..council of country ministers agree what needs to be agreed..they inturn go back to their countries to agree that that is acceptable..They then report back to may council meeting..if they then agree with no further changes(?)..moves to eu june parliament for their approval(if no issue french elections)..if passed would normally go to commision to sanction...but holidays..germam elections likely to mean waiting till result known and neg as to coalition....possible outcome of that dec..commision have stated all negs to be completed by sept 2018 to allow 27 parliaments to agree...14 reg parliaments to agree and then if no changes(?)..it would go to eu parliament for final approval...commision approval...council final approval...and than march 2019..piece of cake...what cliff edge
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They are scheduled to take 2 YEARS and what does the elections in another EU country have to do with it?
I believe there is no minimum time for the negotiations but they cannot exceed 24 months without the agreement of both sides.
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I believe there is no minimum time for the negotiations but they cannot exceed 24 months without the agreement of both sides.
I realise that, but the media are all saying 2 years, even though some experts have been saying that it may well take 5 years or more depending on just what happens in the discussions.
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I believe there is no minimum time for the negotiations but they cannot exceed 24 months without the agreement of both sides.
You are correct..but nobody as in all negotiations has said when the talking has to start between the 2 parties..on current timetable they will not start earliest dec or jan..and given both parties will be on their initial stance in dec with 6 months to go..anything goes..but very unlikely to get to actual stance for months and months...if it was me 24 months more
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They are scheduled to take 2 YEARS and what does the elections in another EU country have to do with it?
Negotiations may get a lot easier once Merkel is out of the way. Live in hope. She has great influence plus Germany seems to be out to make matters difficult for U.K.
Go by what I read in German press.
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Negotiations may get a lot easier once Merkel is out of the way. Live in hope. She has great influence plus Germany seems to be out to make matters difficult for U.K.
Go by what I read in German press.
Germany is out to make sure the EU will prevail. That has always been at the heart of German interests. The UK doesn't feature in Germany's interest anymore. There are nearly NO articles in the German press about the UK.
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I realise that, but the media are all saying 2 years, even though some experts have been saying that it may well take 5 years or more depending on just what happens in the discussions.
After two years the UK will crash out of the EU without any deal or agreement. Negotiations can go on forever. But what will happen in the meantime? No deal means no right for UK citizens to stay, live and work in the EU. No health insurance. Same is true for EU citizens in the UK. That is why quite a few are leaving the UK.
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After two years the UK will crash out of the EU without any deal or agreement. Negotiations can go on forever. But what will happen in the meantime? No deal means no right for UK citizens to stay, live and work in the EU. No health insurance. Same is true for EU citizens in the UK. That is why quite a few are leaving the UK.
I see you are as optimistic as ever.

According to this mornings Telegraph it looks like you have been listening to too much BBC.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...mistic-skewed/

I believe that health is an agreement between interested parties and not the EU but I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.
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Negotiations may get a lot easier once Merkel is out of the way. Live in hope. She has great influence plus Germany seems to be out to make matters difficult for U.K.
Go by what I read in German press.
If leaving the EU is the definition of Germany "making it difficult" for the UK, then I'd agree.

But then, Germany didn't vote for Brexit.
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[QUOTE=Assanah;12209220]After two years the UK will crash out of the EU without any deal or agreement. Negotiations can go on forever. But what will happen in the meantime? No deal means no right for UK citizens to stay, live and work in the EU. No health insurance. Same is true for EU citizens in the UK. That is why quite a few are leaving the UK.[/QUOTE
All pure speculation amazing that you can state as fact what even those that are to conduct these negotiations can say. Fact is pre article 50 being submitted EU won't negotiate anything , once submitted there is 2 years which with agreement can be extended to negotiate and ratify. So we simply have to see what happens. One thing not mentioned so far with talk of extending negotiations is the British electorate, majority was for out and many that voted for that feel it has taken too long so far. Mrs May and co are responsible to try and make Cameron's referendum work. Let's hope this can be done without too much damage to the lifes of those that used freedom of movement to move within the EU.
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They are scheduled to take 2 YEARS and what does the elections in another EU country have to do with it?
The same as if there was an election in the U.K.
If Labour got into power, there would be different government ministers negotiating and making decisions on the terms of exit on behalf of the UK!
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