jackytoo

All over the thread, can't be bothered to paste it. Infact it seems the only important thing is if it's cheaper...why do people go back then if it's more expensive in the UK

agoreira

Benefits? You know, the one's the immigrants get slagged off for being on.

jimenato

No - go on J2. Where does anybody here say anything that would make you write...

you surely didn't just make it up for some reason did you?

agoreira

This one maybe.
I think if wine sells at €1.50 a litre it's because that's all they can get for it, if it were any good, they could ask €5-10 and people would pay it. It's bit like the cartons of Don Simon, it sells at €1 or whatever it is because that's all it's worth.

stevesainty

Only a wine snob who actually knows nothing about wine and only buys it according to price would make such a crass statement.

The wine in question is a 5 year old Jumilla and the reason it sells for that price is because

A) it is sold in bulk by the litre in bodegas up and down the land from large barrels.
B) it has not been bottled which would add at least €0.75 per bottle
C) it has not been labelled which would add at least €0.25 per bottle
D) it has not been transported in bottles which would add at least another €0.50

Additionally, any wine bought from a supermarket in UK with a price tag of less than £6.00 contains wine that cost around 60p per litre. That information was passed on by a well known vintner in Yorkshire.

So get off your high horse and actually talk about something within your sphere of knowledge, if such a thing exists.

andyrich666

Those costs are outrageous, .75 for a empty bottle a .25 for a sticky label, I can not comment on the cost of a bottle but a label would not cost more than a penny and transport the same

stuboy

Not really Andy, A friend of mine was looking at setting up a business in home-made preserves etc and a typical jam jar was about 60p a while ago. So much for recycling eh.

Rosemary

I think that maybe you are forgetting the cost of the machinery used for bottling and labelling and of course the cost of boxing up.

Rosemary

Domino

I am sure a Cost and Management Accountant would put that in a seperate box, as it is capital expense rather than a sale expense
but yes any form of filling machinery is expensive and fetchs good prices on the second hand market

and don't forget the cost of the cleaning process - labour and materials.

chrisjolly

In our experience it is for family reasons and health care. For some reason that I never understand there seems to be a correlation between age and the need to be closer to the grandchildren.

As far as comparing cost of living between the two countries here is the answer....its cheaper to live in Spain

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living...country2=Spain

Porth

Here and with your approval I will briefly take this off track. We still have a house and grandchildren et al in the UK and nothing bar nothing will make us sell. It is there and has been for years as a bolthole.

However we have come from France to Spain and to ask the same question in a differing way would we go back to France. Yes is the answer most certainly and there are numerous grounds but the Health service in France after so many years there is superior to our experience in Spain. Stand up arguments at the Salud in Javea (not ours) filled us with dread.

Then finally at the Parador meeting earlier this year I had an admission from Blevin Franks that taxation in France is less than in Spain. In our case it is quite a difference so we are watching 183 days!

But I could be convinced to stay here and enjoy what Spain does have to offer if the rental of our villa and which has been an unmitigated disaster with a leak that we were not informed of before we came and now 1300 euros later. The house is like a bog in Southern Ireland.

We pay a substantial amount for rent and the landlord could not care less.

So if someone wants to rent a villa then please let me know!

Sorry to go off track perhaps I should have started another thread?

cricketman

Not in the North, they all waltz around with their fur coats on up here

They get the best treatment at the restaurants and shops because everyone knows that the pensioners have the most money

As I've said before, some pensioners receive 7k per month just in state pension and then private pensions on top

In the South it is a different matter because so many people worked illegally 40 years ago (and still do) and women very often did not work, or only worked on the land. But get away from the South the the situation is very different

agoreira

Talking about within your sphere of knowledge, if you seriously believe bottling, labelling and transport adds €1.25 per bottle, that rot gut has addled your brain.

Lynn R

Obviously they aren't wearing fur coats down here, but nevertheless the hairdressers are full of elderly ladies getting their weekly hairdo with so much lacquer that they musn't put a brush through it until the following week, and I see plenty of smartly dressed pensioner couples taking their paseo around town. Not tourists either. If people are not dressed up to the nines it doesn't necessarily mean they are poverty stricken, either - there is a couple living only a few minutes' walk from me whose home is a converted shop opening straight onto the street. From the way they dress and how their house is furnished you would think they didn't have two ha-pennies to rub together - not a bit of it. They own a great deal of property locally and are always advertising some to rent or for sale, and he is also building a block of apartments not far away.

jackytoo

Never seen the Spanish buy the cheapest wine except to dilute with Casera. Can't see how bottles and jam jars cost the producer much. They sell curry sauce etc in jam jar sizes at Sainsbury for 50 pence!

Just add one thing re. tax. Does make a big difference, tax is lower in the UK and it's a big difference for some.