Terrorist attack in Barcelona
Aug 18th 2017, 8:27 pm
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Re: Terrorist attack in Barcelona
Very sorry to hear of the tragic loss of your cousin, I didn't wish to make my comment personal.
My point was yes I agree a very large number of people are killed every day accidentally fact. But these are accidents (I do not include those that drink and drive and kill as they made a conscious decision as to drink and amount they drank). If people break the law then the justice system is supposed to sentence accordingly sometimes good sentencing does give some little comfort to families at least seeing some form of justice done. Terrorism is different to accidents as it is willfull more often than not killing i.e. murder pre planned, it does not just include civilian victims but police Military etc, how many police/military died dealing with IRA terrorism? I do not say overstate the threat to the public but they do need to be aware of risk and areas etc more at risk, it is then down to them without over reaction say what events areas they attend, everyone will have their own measure of risk to themselves or their family. I do see your point that over reaction by the media does fuel the terrorists warped case. But authorities and to some extent media have a responsibility to make the public aware of increased risk to their safety.
My point was yes I agree a very large number of people are killed every day accidentally fact. But these are accidents (I do not include those that drink and drive and kill as they made a conscious decision as to drink and amount they drank). If people break the law then the justice system is supposed to sentence accordingly sometimes good sentencing does give some little comfort to families at least seeing some form of justice done. Terrorism is different to accidents as it is willfull more often than not killing i.e. murder pre planned, it does not just include civilian victims but police Military etc, how many police/military died dealing with IRA terrorism? I do not say overstate the threat to the public but they do need to be aware of risk and areas etc more at risk, it is then down to them without over reaction say what events areas they attend, everyone will have their own measure of risk to themselves or their family. I do see your point that over reaction by the media does fuel the terrorists warped case. But authorities and to some extent media have a responsibility to make the public aware of increased risk to their safety.
What I find amazing is the reaction seems to now be acceptance that nothing can be done. I wonder at what level of terrorism will be necessary for stronger actions to be taken to reduce the terrorism risk.
These terrorists are influenced by their religion and culture, and for every one who acts on "radical" influence, how many are sympathetic to such "radical" influence. Looking at Iran and Saudi Arabia I wonder whether what is called radical is really that radical for the Muslim world.
Aug 18th 2017, 9:02 pm
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Re: Terrorist attack in Barcelona
Or perhaps media has a responsibility to focus more on what additional measures can be taken to address the terrorist risk.
What I find amazing is the reaction seems to now be acceptance that nothing can be done. I wonder at what level of terrorism will be necessary for stronger actions to be taken to reduce the terrorism risk.
These terrorists are influenced by their religion and culture, and for every one who acts on "radical" influence, how many are sympathetic to such "radical" influence. Looking at Iran and Saudi Arabia I wonder whether what is called radical is really that radical for the Muslim world.
What I find amazing is the reaction seems to now be acceptance that nothing can be done. I wonder at what level of terrorism will be necessary for stronger actions to be taken to reduce the terrorism risk.
These terrorists are influenced by their religion and culture, and for every one who acts on "radical" influence, how many are sympathetic to such "radical" influence. Looking at Iran and Saudi Arabia I wonder whether what is called radical is really that radical for the Muslim world.
Aug 19th 2017, 12:29 pm
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Totally agree. Also do not forget that when you give a 'nobody' a Ak 47, a bomb, a knife, a machete or a two tonne vehicle with the brief to have the power to kill or maim, in their twisted world they are elevated to Gods in their eyes. Like I said, thousands of ignorant 'people' can be swayed by one intelligent person. Two good reasons why terrorism will never go away. Sickening and perverse human nature, seen it.
Aug 20th 2017, 1:49 pm
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How does the actions in Charlottesville negate the threat the Islamic terrorists pose throughout Europe ?
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Aug 20th 2017, 2:09 pm
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Get what right ? These terrorist incidents over the last few years show there is a problem with radical Islamic terrorists , and my question is how many of these attacks are necessary until stronger action is taken ?
How does the actions in Charlottesville negate the threat the Islamic terrorists pose throughout Europe ?
How does the actions in Charlottesville negate the threat the Islamic terrorists pose throughout Europe ?
There is no difference between a radical Islamist or a Nazi flag carrying white supremacist.
What is your solution to the growing extremes in the world.
It's crying out for an answer.
Aug 21st 2017, 9:35 am
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I daresay the solutions to extremist/terrorist attacks are out there. I don't know what they are but I fear they will be Draconian enough to have everyone throwing up their arms and screaming about human rights.
Aug 21st 2017, 4:56 pm
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The solution to this one was being shot and killed by police; they say they got him.
Aug 21st 2017, 5:01 pm
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Terrorism where ever it occurs it's who ever responsible there is no place for it in today's world
There is no difference between a radical Islamist or a Nazi flag carrying white supremacist.
What is your solution to the growing extremes in the world.
It's crying out for an answer.
There is no difference between a radical Islamist or a Nazi flag carrying white supremacist.
What is your solution to the growing extremes in the world.
It's crying out for an answer.
Solution is stronger security measures including stronger border control measures, deportations, more police, more intelligence budgets, etc etc. And re-evaluation of political and military strategy in the Middle East. Maybe compulsory viewing of Lawrence of Arabia by political decision-makers in the West.
Aug 21st 2017, 5:14 pm
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Just curious what the white supremacist had to do with the attack in Barcelona.
Solution is stronger security measures including stronger border control measures, deportations, more police, more intelligence budgets, etc etc. And re-evaluation of political and military strategy in the Middle East. Maybe compulsory viewing of Lawrence of Arabia by political decision-makers in the West.
Solution is stronger security measures including stronger border control measures, deportations, more police, more intelligence budgets, etc etc. And re-evaluation of political and military strategy in the Middle East. Maybe compulsory viewing of Lawrence of Arabia by political decision-makers in the West.
It was only good fortune that resulted in only one death in Charlottesville instead of 10, 12 ,15.
None of your suggestions will make a jot of difference
Border controls may stop people getting in but not those already living with us or born in our countries.
More police , to do what, turn us into police state,
What would they do stop every car, van being driven by someone with a dark complexion.
All that would do would be to encourage more division.
Intelligence budgets, already being done.
Watching films from the 60,s, really ?
At least you did not say, " something must be done "
Aug 22nd 2017, 1:19 pm
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A terrorist act is a terrorist act .
It was only good fortune that resulted in only one death in Charlottesville instead of 10, 12 ,15.
None of your suggestions will make a jot of difference
Border controls may stop people getting in but not those already living with us or born in our countries.
More police , to do what, turn us into police state,
What would they do stop every car, van being driven by someone with a dark complexion.
All that would do would be to encourage more division.
Intelligence budgets, already being done.
Watching films from the 60,s, really ?
At least you did not say, " something must be done "
It was only good fortune that resulted in only one death in Charlottesville instead of 10, 12 ,15.
None of your suggestions will make a jot of difference
Border controls may stop people getting in but not those already living with us or born in our countries.
More police , to do what, turn us into police state,
What would they do stop every car, van being driven by someone with a dark complexion.
All that would do would be to encourage more division.
Intelligence budgets, already being done.
Watching films from the 60,s, really ?
At least you did not say, " something must be done "
Unless one accepts the situation of recent years as acceptable, following the same level of security will just led to more and perhaps increasing terrorist incidents.
Why not more police if necessary to protect the innocents ?
Aug 22nd 2017, 3:15 pm
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Why not more police if necessary to protect the innocents .
What is happening is not acceptable just enivitable.
I man in a car, I man walking down the street with a knife, terrorist or not.
How would you stop them ?
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Aug 22nd 2017, 3:56 pm
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I do notice that the Spanish newspapers are questioning why no-one thought it strange that someone should have dozens of bottles of gas and in fact are more people involved who kept quiet??
Aug 22nd 2017, 6:35 pm
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Unless one accepts the situation of recent years as acceptable, following the same level of security will just led to more and perhaps increasing terrorist incidents.
Why not more police if necessary to protect the innocents .
What is happening is not acceptable just enivitable.
I man in a car, I man walking down the street with a knife, terrorist or not.
How would you stop them ?
Why not more police if necessary to protect the innocents .
What is happening is not acceptable just enivitable.
I man in a car, I man walking down the street with a knife, terrorist or not.
How would you stop them ?
If I understand correctly, the driver of the van was Moroccan, simply if he hadn't been allowed in the country in the first place maybe the attack would not have occurred.
Aug 22nd 2017, 10:38 pm
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Certainly not inevitable unless the current situation continues to be followed. Why not increase security ? Greater border control and vetting of people coming into country ? Attacking extremist clerics and deporting them or restricting their ability to preach hate. And yes more police. Yes none of these measures will eliminate terrorism but may reduce the number and level of those that do occur.
If I understand correctly, the driver of the van was Moroccan, simply if he hadn't been allowed in the country in the first place maybe the attack would not have occurred.
If I understand correctly, the driver of the van was Moroccan, simply if he hadn't been allowed in the country in the first place maybe the attack would not have occurred.
I agree about vetting.
Anyone who believes in restricting our hard fought for freedoms should not be allowed into the UK be they a Muslim extremist or not.
You have referred to your own background, how would you like it off you were refused entry into any country because of it.
Aug 23rd 2017, 9:44 pm
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How would you deal with those who are not immigrants who have carried out similar acts.
I agree about vetting.
Anyone who believes in restricting our hard fought for freedoms should not be allowed into the UK be they a Muslim extremist or not.
You have referred to your own background, how would you like it off you were refused entry into any country because of it.
I agree about vetting.
Anyone who believes in restricting our hard fought for freedoms should not be allowed into the UK be they a Muslim extremist or not.
You have referred to your own background, how would you like it off you were refused entry into any country because of it.
If I were refused entry to a country in the unlikely event that anyone would consider my background indicating I fit a profile of a potential threat, so what ? Isnt the UK or US government first responsibility to protect their citizens ?
